The Master PC Race is review bombing RDR2 on Metacritic.

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#51 Edited by Zaryia (6716 posts) -
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Out of XB1X vs PS4PRO. I default to the newest models.

For example, for the typical multiplat it goes,

PC>XB>PS

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#52 Posted by DrLostRib (4367 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:
@that_old_guy said:

Oh the horror.

Anything to be righteous about.

Its not about fanboy wars, it’s about PC gaming community/culture which has to do with PC gaming.

I didnt say anything like “Cows are so much cooler bc Hermits are doing this”.

that would be fanboy wars.

Get over yourselves.

That's never been true. Fanboy Wars basically just means you make a topic about a fanboy faction... You don't have to actually compare two or more factions.

PC gamers apparently really get to this dude

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#53 Edited by mazuiface (667 posts) -

@zaryia said:
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Out of XB1X vs PS4PRO. I default to the newest models.

For example, for the typical multiplat it goes,

PC>XB>PS

So in other words, you are ignoring facts. Got it.

As if most PS4 and XB1 gamers are not using OG consoles...

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#54 Edited by Zaryia (6716 posts) -
@mazuiface said:
@zaryia said:
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Out of XB1X vs PS4PRO. I default to the newest models.

For example, for the typical multiplat it goes,

PC>XB>PS

So in other words, you are ignoring facts. Got it.

Sony is the worst place to play multiplats, aka most games. It's dogshit on PS4.

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#55 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@drlostrib said:

PC gamers apparently really get to this dude

I think that's a good thing.

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#56 Edited by Fedor (3333 posts) -

@zaryia: That seems weird. You could still make your pc over all consoles point without the nonsense. Hell, I agree with that sentiment.

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#57 Posted by X_CAPCOM_X (8274 posts) -

@that_old_guy: nothing you said challenges what I am saying.

In fact, you fed into it. I am still right. Look at the threads on the first page that call on "cows" or "lems" or "herms" in one way or another.

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#58 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:
@drlostrib said:

PC gamers apparently really get to this dude

I think that's a good thing.

Wait...so are PC gamers not review bombimg the score?

I mean, they are...and I’m just making a post about it.

Not sure why you guys are mad and saying PC gamers get to me when I’m just making a post on a community’s pathetic reaction to a game.

I’m Sorry you guys feel so upset.

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#59 Edited by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@that_old_guy said:

Wait...so are PC gamers not review bombimg the score?

I mean, they are...and I’m just making a post about it.

Not sure why you guys are mad and saying PC gamers get to me when I’m just making a post on a community’s pathetic reaction to a game.

I’m Sorry you guys feel so upset.

Do we seem upset? We're not the ones inferring things from other's posts. Anyway... To be fair, you actually didn't post a link or any evidence of anything, and i'm having a beer and watching TV. I'm too Lazy to look up evidence for you.

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#60 Posted by DrLostRib (4367 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:
@that_old_guy said:

Wait...so are PC gamers not review bombimg the score?

I mean, they are...and I’m just making a post about it.

Not sure why you guys are mad and saying PC gamers get to me when I’m just making a post on a community’s pathetic reaction to a game.

I’m Sorry you guys feel so upset.

Do we seem upset? We're not the ones inferring things from other's posts. Anyway...

whoa, settle down lundy. No need to get so angry. Tone it down, man

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#61 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@drlostrib said:

whoa, settle down lundy. No need to get so angry. Tone it down, man

You can't be too rational on SW... People think you're nuts.

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#62 Edited by lamprey263 (35737 posts) -

The first Redemption game didn't even release on PC so I don't know why they should feel entitled to this one. Seems like Rockstar was interested in getting PC version out earlier, probably was going to bring GTA V cross-play to Xbox One and PC to test the waters, but that required doing away with modding and when they tried people threw a shit fit, that's probably why they didn't get it at release, that's what I am choosing to believe anyways.

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#63 Posted by KBFloYd (21072 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

@KBFloYd: Horizon sold like 7 million copies. It did fine lol

critically? it got suffocated by zelda.

saleswise? 7 million is good. not breath of the wild sales good. is guerilla completely happy with the sales? or did they want to do pokemon or mario kart or GTA numbers? who knows. zelda didnt allow it.

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#64 Edited by Damedius (350 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:
@blackhairedhero said:

@KBFloYd: Horizon sold like 7 million copies. It did fine lol

critically? it got suffocated by zelda.

saleswise? 7 million is good. not breath of the wild sales good. is guerilla completely happy with the sales? or did they want to do pokemon or mario kart or GTA numbers? who knows. zelda didnt allow it.

They are both exclusives.

Claiming one got buried by another is quite a stretch.

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#65 Posted by DaVillain- (33026 posts) -

You don't say.

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#66 Posted by Jacanuk (17020 posts) -
@Jag85 said:

I doubt it's just PC gamers behind the review bombing. Most are likely to be gamers who are fed up Rockstar games always getting so overrated by the press... Whether RDR2 deserves it or not, most of Rockstar's previous games have been overrated by the press, with a similarly large disparity between critic and user scores.

That is some opinion.

But just be glad you do not have to buy any Rockstar games and support the company who has made the most successful franchise in gaming history and where they are now solely on 2 games GTA IV And 5 well over 130mill sold copies.

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#67 Posted by ronvalencia (26541 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

I doubt it's just PC gamers behind the review bombing. Most are likely to be gamers who are fed up Rockstar games always getting so overrated by the press... Whether RDR2 deserves it or not, most of Rockstar's previous games have been overrated by the press, with a similarly large disparity between critic and user scores.

GTA5's good sales longevity proves otherwise.

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#68 Posted by ronvalencia (26541 posts) -

@mazuiface said:
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Don't you understand? When the Xbox One X released, all of the OG Xbox Ones were immediately transformed into Xbox One X consoles - just like all of the PS4s turned into Pros.

When RTX 2080 Ti is released, all older NVIDIA/AMD PC GPUs were immediately transformed into RTX 2080 Ti. This is PC master race standard argument.

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#69 Posted by Fedor (3333 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Nope. Still using my 1080ti. Rtx is a joke. Pretty much kills your narrative.

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#70 Edited by Jag85 (12408 posts) -
@Jacanuk said:

But just be glad you do not have to buy any Rockstar games and support the company who has made the most successful franchise in gaming history and where they are now solely on 2 games GTA IV And 5 well over 130mill sold copies.

Wrong. The most successful franchise in gaming history is Pokemon. And not even just the most successful gaming franchise. Pokemon is the most successful entertainment media franchise, period.

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#71 Edited by ronvalencia (26541 posts) -

@fedor said:

@ronvalencia: Nope. Still using my 1080ti. Rtx is a joke. Pretty much kills your narrative.

RTX's concept is good but it needs further evolution. With PC hardware, don't buy 1st gen hardware e.g. Geforce 256.

Ray-traced based on RTX concept is now part (assimilated) of DirectX which forced AMD and Intel (tick-box API feature marketing) to follow. When Microsoft says jump, PC IHVs follows.

RTX 3080 Ti is the proposed second gen RTX tech based on 7 nm process tech. AMD is known to be working on their DirectX RT.

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#72 Posted by sakaiXx (4201 posts) -

Heh, PC beggars.

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#73 Posted by Jag85 (12408 posts) -

@ronvalencia:

Sales =/= Quality

Either way, the point is about the disparity between critic scores and user scores on Metacritic. The same disparity exists for GTA IV & V, not just RDR2. GTAV's user scores are 14-20% below the critic scores. GTAIV's user scores are 19-23% below the critic scores. RDR2's user scores are 18-30% below the critic scores.

RDR2 is not an outlier, but the disparity between the critic score and user score follows the same pattern as GTA IV & V.

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#74 Posted by babyjoker1221 (1255 posts) -

Ole secret police should be along shortly with his "pee salty seas" quip. Seems more appropriate now than ever.

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#75 Posted by SaltSlasher (533 posts) -

The 1 thing Cows and Lems can always come together with, and thats making fun of the Petty Race of Master Beggers...

I hate extremest from all fanboy groups, why can't they just come here and tell us how awesome PC is so don't need it, and keep their dumb ideas in places they belong.

Who would want RDR2 on PC anyways...clearly the best course of action is to sell their desktop for bitcoin and buy a One X.

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#76 Posted by Larsa_Ferrinas (177 posts) -

@KBFloYd: Or how Xbots bombed Spiderman and God of War.

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#77 Posted by Jacanuk (17020 posts) -
@Jag85 said:
@Jacanuk said:

But just be glad you do not have to buy any Rockstar games and support the company who has made the most successful franchise in gaming history and where they are now solely on 2 games GTA IV And 5 well over 130mill sold copies.

Wrong. The most successful franchise in gaming history is Pokemon. And not even just the most successful gaming franchise. Pokemon is the most successful entertainment media franchise, period.

You sure don´t like facts do you.

Pokemon is not by a long shot the most successful game franchise.

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#78 Posted by Jacanuk (17020 posts) -
@Jag85 said:

@ronvalencia:

Sales =/= Quality

Either way, the point is about the disparity between critic scores and user scores on Metacritic. The same disparity exists for GTA IV & V, not just RDR2. GTAV's user scores are 14-20% below the critic scores. GTAIV's user scores are 19-23% below the critic scores. RDR2's user scores are 18-30% below the critic scores.

RDR2 is not an outlier, but the disparity between the critic score and user score follows the same pattern as GTA IV & V.

Do you actually believe the nonsense you let out? You say sales does not equal quality, while at the same time trying to use a medium which is known for it´s troll "reviews"

If you want to use meta critic user reviews as an argument, you also have to look at the sales which clearly are "user-based".

But let me guess you are a huge Nintendo fan?

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#79 Posted by DrLostRib (4367 posts) -

lol jacanuk trying to scold people about facts

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#80 Edited by mazuiface (667 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@mazuiface said:
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Don't you understand? When the Xbox One X released, all of the OG Xbox Ones were immediately transformed into Xbox One X consoles - just like all of the PS4s turned into Pros.

When RTX 2080 Ti is released, all older NVIDIA/AMD PC GPUs were immediately transformed into RTX 2080 Ti. This is PC master race standard argument.

Lol you can find and quote me on this board saying that not all PCs need the latest Nvidia over priced GPU to dominate consoles. I destroy consoles easy on a Vega 56, and I'll be fine for a while into next gen.

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#81 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@mazuiface said:

Lol you can find and quote me on this board saying that not all PCs need the latest Nvidia over priced GPU to dominate consoles. I destroy consoles easy on a Vega 56

Ron is a robot, and thus, is incapable of understanding sarcasm... Or any conversation, really.

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#82 Posted by Rockman999 (7296 posts) -

What else is there for them to do? They can't play the games they do get because they're always full of cheaters/modders and with the crypto market in shambles all those GPU's the idiots bought for a premium above market price are left to gather dust and grow increasingly outdated.

The neckbeards just don't have much going for them these days.

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#83 Edited by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@Rockman999 said:

What else is there for them to do? They can't play the games they do get because they're always full of cheaters/modders and with the crypto market in shambles all those GPU's the idiots bought for a premium above market price are left to gather dust and grow increasingly outdated.

The neckbeards just don't have much going for them these days.

Well, that's... Wrong. You do realize that multitudes of games exist, right? Even without modders/cheaters. I've been happily playing DQ11 and Vampyr myself.

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#84 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:
@drlostrib said:

whoa, settle down lundy. No need to get so angry. Tone it down, man

You can't be too rational on SW... People think you're nuts.

I know right.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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#85 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@that_old_guy said:

I know right.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Didn't quote ya there, bud.

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#86 Posted by Juub1990 (8247 posts) -

@Jacanuk: Neither is GTA. The most successful game franchise is Mario which has sold more than twice as many games as the GTA franchise.

Pokémon is the most successful franchise based on a game. Made more money than Star Wars and far more money than any other video game franchise.

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#87 Posted by VFighter (4040 posts) -

@zaryia: Wow you're a dipshit lol, the X1 is the worst by that account.

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#88 Edited by henrythefifth (1956 posts) -

I'm much more annoyed by fanboys who give the game perfect ten on Metacritic before they even play the game, or after playing the game for only few hours.

Sure, user reviews on Meta have never been very professional, but I'd expect gamers to at least complete the main story before writing two page reviews. But I guess Meta people are just too needy to be pro.

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#89 Edited by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

So, I actually read through the PS4 user reviews rated 4 and lower... There isn't much to support your initial argument, TC... Some foreign posts, and I believe one that actually stipulated the PC.

Link.

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#90 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:
@that_old_guy said:

I know right.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Didn't quote ya there, bud.

Wait so you HAVE to quote someone to agree with them?

So if I say “I like BotW” and no one quotes me....no one agrees with me???

Wow, you learn something new everyday.

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#91 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@that_old_guy said:

Wait so you HAVE to quote someone to agree with them?

So if I say “I like BotW” and no one quotes me....no one agrees with me???

Wow, you learn something new everyday.

That was my way of not getting into a drawn-out argument over your flawed language, that somehow led to me agreeing with you. You saying it, does not make it so.

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#92 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@henrythefifth: I dunno. You can play several hours of a game or not even finish the main campaign and know if you really like it or not.

10’s ok I agree. But generally I think you can know if you like a game before finishing a whole campaign.

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#93 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (5044 posts) -

I don't agree with review bombing the game, but it's is beyond frustrating seeing Rockstar treat PC Gamers like shit despite the massive amount of money they've made from the PC. They can't even be straight with us, everything is always vague and open for interpretation.

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#94 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4: How many languages do you speak?

1/3 of the low scores are in like Russian and 1/3 are in Spanish or something then English.

The ones that are in English give the most generic “I’ve only seen the trailers” reviews ever.

Only a person who hasn’t played it....aka PC gamers...would do that. And considering one was so bold to outright not be shy about it and just say “PC gamer here giving it a 0” I’d say I doubt the Nintendo fanboys give that much of a shit about it.

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#95 Posted by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@that_old_guy: Complete speculation on your part. Plenty of people with consoles, like myself, have yet to play the game. You never proved your point, and just went on to bash PC gamers without any major reason. Show the posts you are referring to, or sit down and shut up.

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#96 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4: I can’t link the post. And for all I know it’s been taken down or deleted.

For fucks sake dude, YOU think that someone would just make up a story for the sake of bashing. That proves how YOU think.

It was there if it’s not there now. Do you think they would let that post review be?

If you don’t then obviously they took it down.

It’s also pure speculation on your part to think any of the Russian and/or Spanish posts don’t say something of the like.

Do you speak Russian?

If anything, I’ll give you that it’s only possible and not concrete that ALL the low scores are PC gamers, but that one post ymthat outright said “I’m a PC gamer giving this a 0” is/was there.

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#97 Edited by lundy86_4 (50933 posts) -

@that_old_guy: You made the initial post, thus you have the burden of proof. Prove it's the "Master PC Race" posting those reviews.

I'm not denying that some "PC gamers" may have posted subpar user reviews. Plenty of other gamers may have as well. Simple as. If you can't back up your own argument, then something tells me you shouldn't be debating it in the first place.

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#98 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@lundy86_4: awesome, so we agree that PC gamers are review bombing the game.

Now was that so hard?

And just in case you say I didn’t say that: “I’m not denying that some PC gamers have posted sub par reviews.”

You said it brother.

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#99 Edited by ronvalencia (26541 posts) -
@mazuiface said:
@ronvalencia said:
@mazuiface said:
@fedor said:

@zaryia: Your link says the ogX1 version is the worst.

Don't you understand? When the Xbox One X released, all of the OG Xbox Ones were immediately transformed into Xbox One X consoles - just like all of the PS4s turned into Pros.

When RTX 2080 Ti is released, all older NVIDIA/AMD PC GPUs were immediately transformed into RTX 2080 Ti. This is PC master race standard argument.

Lol you can find and quote me on this board saying that not all PCs need the latest Nvidia over priced GPU to dominate consoles. I destroy consoles easy on a Vega 56, and I'll be fine for a while into next gen.

It depends if AMD is able to increase mid-range Vega M GH's 64 ROPS into 96 to 128 ROPS with the next mid-range GPU.

AMD needs to master 32 ROPS per 128 bit bus scaling, hence

256 bit with 64 ROPS

384 bit with 96 ROPS <---- NVIDIA GP102 class rasterization

Spec comparison with proposed 7 nm mid-range GPU

RX Vega 56 overclock edition

TFLOPS: 11 TFLOPS at 1536 Mhz overclock, 87.5 percent from Vega 64 AC

ROPS: 64 at 1536 Mhz overclock from Vega 64, hence rasterization power is identical.

L2 cache: 4 MB unified for both TMU and ROPS usage. Programmer can software tile render with Vega architecture from either TMU and ROPS paths.

Vega 56 overclock has similar performance to Vega 64

Basic design parameters for TSMC 7 nm and X1X Next/PS5 GPU,

http://www.anandtech.com/show/12677/tsmc-kicks-off-volume-production-of-7nm-chips

The 7 nm node is a big deal for the foundry industry in general and TSMC in particular. When compared to the CLN16FF+ technology (TSMC’s most widely used FinFET process technology) the CLN7FF will enable chip designers to shrink their die sizes by 70% (at the same transistor count), drop power consumption by 60%, or increase frequency by 30% (at the same complexity).

Condition 1: For every 0.5 percent clock speed increase, 60 percent power consumption drop is reduce by 1 percent.

Condition 2: PS4/PS4 Pro/X1X GPU TDP target: about 115 to 130 watts

Condition 3: Vega 64 Air cooled at 295 watts dropped by 60 percent which turns Vega 64 from 295 watts into 118 watts. Vega 64 Air cooled has 12.58 TFLOPS at 1536Mhz

Lets target 130 watts using Condition 1 relationship.

Proposal 1

TSMC 7nm applied: 118 watts at 1536 Mhz at full 64 CU enabled.

TFLOPS: 8 disabled CUs for increase yields, 56 CU at 1536 Mhz yields 11 TFLOPS. 8 missing CUs yields extra TDP headroom, hence reducing to 103 watts.

Based on Condition 1, apply 10 percent clock speed increase with 20 percent TDP increase, yields 1689 Mhz at 129.6 watts

Resulting clock speed is 1689 Mhz, which yields ~12.11 TFLOPS

ROPS: 64 ROPS at 1689 Mhz

L2 cache: 8 MB twice of X1X GPU's 2MB L2 cache (TMU) + 2 MB render cache (ROPS). This is one of Turning's improvement i.e double L2 cache size.

Side issues: For games, Vega 64 has some useless features such as high bandwidth cache which is slower/higher latency than L2 cache and 64 bit floating point processing.

GPU result has 9 percent better rasterization performance over Vega 56 OC/64.

If AMD stays with Vega based circuit design, this is estimated GPU power for RX-670 while RX-680 and RX 690 has higher TDP limits and clock speed.

Proposal 2

Based on graph above specs

TFLOPS: 8 missing CUs yields extra TDP headroom.

Resulting clock speed is 1720 Mhz, which yields ~12.33TFLOPS

ROPS: 64 ROPS at 1720 Mhz

GPU result has ~12 percent better rasterization performance over Vega 56 OC/64 at 1536 Mhz

~2.06X performance per watt gain over X1X's 6 TFLOPS using Vega IP at 7 nm.

~2.94X performance per watt gain over PS4 Pro's 4.2 TFLOPS using Vega IP at 7 nm.

Proposal 3

Based on graph above specs

TFLOPS: 20 disabled CUs which reduces power consumption. Resulting clock speed is 1840 Mhz, which yields ~10.362TFLOPS

ROPS: 64 ROPS at 1840 Mhz

GPU at 1840 Mhz result has ~20 percent better rasterization performance over Vega 56 OC/64 at 1536 Mhz

Characteristics getting closer to RTX 2080.

For comparison

RTX 2080 has equivalent of 46 CU at ~1928 Mhz clock speeds with 64 ROPS and 11.0 TFLOPS.

RTX 2080 has 4 MB L2 cache which higher than GTX 1080 Ti's 3 MB L2 cache. NVIDIA has superior delta color compression.

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#100 Posted by LuxuryHeart (982 posts) -
@Jag85 said:

I doubt it's just PC gamers behind the review bombing. Most are likely to be gamers who are fed up Rockstar games always getting so overrated by the press... Whether RDR2 deserves it or not, most of Rockstar's previous games have been overrated by the press, with a similarly large disparity between critic and user scores.

What?! You mean you don't like GTA V: Wild West DLC? WTF is wrong with you?! You must be a Nintendo shill or a PC beggar race to not appreciate GTA V re-skinned as a western.