Sony's first party - overrated, underrated, or just right?

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Posted by SolidGame_basic (23542 posts) 6 days, 5 hours ago

Poll: Sony's first party - overrated, underrated, or just right? (124 votes)

Overrated 40%
Underrated 9%
Just right 51%

I think outside of gaming forums, Sony's first party is highly respected and loved. On the forums, they're over-scrutinized. In that sense, they're underrated. Overall, you really can't hate on their success with games like Last of Us, Uncharted, Horizon, God of War, and much much more. So I'm going to say.. a little underrated. Especially with MS paling in comparison, Nintendo having the same franchises, and PC's not really having any first party lol. Valve hasn't made any new games in such a long time.

Where do you stand on this, SW? Is Sony's first party - overrated, underrated, or just right?

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#1 Posted by Utensilman (1545 posts) -

I guess MS having no 1st party suddenly makes Sony’s shallow shitty 1st party good? You’ve lowered your standards to the point of now we only get about 5 good games a year across all platforms.

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

Just right. They're fine and I'm happy they exist. I don't think that such thing as overrated exists.

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#3 Posted by The-A-Baum (1225 posts) -

They still need a good Co-op multiplayer game, and then I think they have covered all the bases.

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#4 Posted by djoffer (975 posts) -

For me personally they are pretty overrated, haven’t played the PS4 ones so can’t comment on those, but from what I have seen they still have the same issues as on PS3...

Played uncharted 1+2 and really don’t get the hype, they are not terrible games but just very average to me....’can’t fault the production cost though!

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#5 Posted by Telekill (8230 posts) -

Sony first party is great. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either lying to themselves because they're jealous that their platform of choice doesn't get these games or because they've never played them. It's why they call them movie games. It's the only thing they have to throw at all the exclusives they don't get to play. It's a factually incorrect term used during diaper baby tantrums.

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#6 Edited by nepu7supastar7 (4811 posts) -

Well on here, you got alot of Lems and Hermits hating the shittake out of Sony. But out of it, it's well respected and loved by many. And me having the pleasure of owning every console, I can definitely say that their games live up to the hype. Which is something not very common.

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#7 Posted by 2Chalupas (6963 posts) -

They are great, but this gen they aren't quite as well rounded (seemingly everything 3rd-person adventure based right now).

But then again, Sony Japan just put out Astro Bot. Which might be a great VR game, but it locks out everyone who doesn't have PSVR (including me). So I think that's part of it, other than the Western AAA games which are mostly PS4, seems like VR has taken a bite of what would probably round out the PS4 lineup.

I'll probably get PSVR at some point, but I basically view that as a separate system (even though some games do offer a choice of straight up PS4 or play with VR).

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#8 Posted by pyro1245 (4408 posts) -

Bloodborne could never be overrated. As a game, it is a masterpiece. It's a shame the PS4 runs the game like crap. Weak frame rate with inconsistent frame times. Really sad. Where is the PS4 Pro patch?

GoW, HZD, and Spiderman are properly rated.

I hope we at least see a remaster on the next gen consoles that update these games to a proper 60fps, because they would all greatly benefit from it.

Uncharted is super overrated.

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#9 Posted by sakaiXx (4477 posts) -

Underrated of course. Some people hate on bloodborne cause its a sony exclusive. Its obviously the best souls game there is and one of the game of the generation.

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#10 Posted by XVision84 (14759 posts) -

Sony 1st party is excellent and the only reason I buy PS4 and will buy PS5.

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#11 Posted by Nike_Air (19248 posts) -

Knack 2 is underrated. Fun game and fun platinum to get.

I understand that the 1st Knack wasn't good and that Knack is a meme , but don't sleep on Knack 2.

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#12 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@the-a-baum said:

They still need a good Co-op multiplayer game, and then I think they have covered all the bases.

All of their multiplayer titles so far haven't sold as well as other games in their genres. Motorstorm, Resistance, Killzone, MAG, SOCOM, PS Allstars

There are good games in these franchises (Motorstorm 1/2, Killzone 2, Resistance 1/3) so blame the consumers.

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#13 Posted by stereointegrity (12132 posts) -

Lems will hate it. Cows are I'll love it

Sheep will claim they still have the best.

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#14 Edited by Pikminmaniac (11331 posts) -

They have a little bit of both. They've definitely done a WAY better job this gen than last gen. Their PS3 first party games were rarely to my liking at all, but now there is a decent number of games I rather like from their studios.

I'm definitely still more fond of the 3rd party exclusives they get.

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#15 Posted by Mandzilla (2660 posts) -

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

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#16 Posted by DaVillain- (33689 posts) -

Just right.

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#17 Posted by freedomfreak (50841 posts) -

Their first party definitely improved over the course of this gen. With stinkers like Second Son, Killzone, Driveclub, uh.. There's other stuff, but it's hard to think back on a bad Sony game I've played in a while.

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#18 Posted by Dagubot (1081 posts) -

Horizon, God of War, & Persona are some of my favorite games.

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#19 Posted by Pedro (32703 posts) -

Why does this thread feel like dejavu ?

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#20 Edited by osan0 (15281 posts) -

overall i think just right.

their first party complete their main objective: they fill in gaps in the roster, show off what the PS device can do, sell systems and set them apart from the competition. they also tend to make money (at least the big ones).

overall though their games are not my cuppa. they are a bit too focused on games as art (i also criticise nintendo for their games being a bit too much engineered but if i have to pick between the 2 i would go the nintendo route). gravity rush and shadow of the colossus really are sonys approach personified imho.

GR was a great game to show off the vita...in theory. it had a wonderful atmosphere, a great soundtrack, technically ambitious (huge world with no loading screens where you can fly anywhere...on a handheld) and the game was charming in a way only sony can do. the controls were pants and the mechanics broke down quickly. they tried to hammer in the vitas unique additions and made a mess of it (did they improve it for GR2? i hear mixed things).

shadow of the colossus on the PS2. great idea. wonderful atmosphere. another brilliant soundtrack. pushed the PS2 beyond its limits to be honest. played horribly. low FPS, high input lag, mechanically sloppy. as eurogamer put it a while ago (to paraphrase): its a game that leaves amazing memories but is not a game that's fun to play which is also how i would summarise it. it looks like that has been fixed for the PS4 version though which looks ace.

i dont know if sony have improved on this as i dont have a PS4 but looking at the games i have for the PS3 i really wasnt wowed by much from sony.

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#21 Posted by ellos (1811 posts) -

As individual games they are good games. Some of the best. As a library its overrated. Cant see it standalone without combination with 3rd party.

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#22 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

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#23 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (18116 posts) -

If you like 3rd person action/adventure games with heaps of cutscenes, then you'll love Sony's 1st party studios. Other than that, meh.

And those saying Bloodborne and Spiderman, obviously don't understand what 1st party is.

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#24 Edited by ellos (1811 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

Ooof yes it is exactly like saying that. The difference is that list will also bring some of the best most popular MP, Coop gameplay out there.

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#25 Posted by cainetao11 (35954 posts) -

I say just right. They are great at what they do although what they do is very similar it seems. Third person, dramatic games.

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#26 Posted by cainetao11 (35954 posts) -

@dagubot said:

Horizon, God of War, & Persona are some of my favorite games.

Well Persona isn't first party Sony and you should feel bad for liking that crap ……………… ;P

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#27 Posted by Mandzilla (2660 posts) -
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

How does it not make sense?

  • Uncharted 4 - Third-person action-adventure.
  • God of War - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn - Third-person action-adventure.
  • The Last of Us - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Infamous Second Son - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Shadow of the Colossus - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Spiderman - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure.

I never said they're all identical games of course, just that a lot fit into the same or similar genre.

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#28 Edited by Subspecies (80 posts) -

Here they're underrated (hated) by rabid lems. Outside of here they're underrated (hated) by rabid fanboys that don't know they're lems. Otherwise the vast majority of people give them deserved praise. That basically sums it up.

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#30 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@mandzilla said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

How does it not make sense?

  • Uncharted 4 - Third-person action-adventure.
  • God of War - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn - Third-person action-adventure.
  • The Last of Us - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Infamous Second Son - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Shadow of the Colossus - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Spiderman - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure.

I never said they're all identical games of course, just that a lot fit into the same or similar genre.

You're either extremely ignorant and never played any of those games or just don't like Sony and are a bad troll.

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#31 Edited by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@crimsonllama said:

@hrt_rulz01: maybe I'm just being a derp here, but what is the difference between a 1st party game and an exclusive?

First party would be the publisher owns the developer making the game. Nintendo & Retro Studios making Donkey Kong, Microsoft & The Coalition making Gears 5, Sony & Naughty Dog making The Last of Us 2.

"Exclusives" can still happen even if the publisher doesn't own the studio developing the game but still acquires the exclusivity rights to the game or the IP. For example, Microsoft funded Sunset Overdrive for it to be exclusive to them but they do not own Insomniac Games or the Sunset Overdrive IP.

Sony funded and owns The Order: 1886, Bloodborne and Until Dawn IPs but does not own the three studios who made those games- Ready At Dawn, From Software, and Supermassive Games.

Edit: also throwing this out there that the term "third party exclusive" means Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft worked a contract deal out with a publisher and one of their developers to make a game timed exclusive or exclusive forever for their hardware. Microsoft paid for Square/Crystal Dynamics for Tomb Raider and Microsoft paid Capcom for Dead Rising 3/4 exclusivity.

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#32 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@ellos said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

Ooof yes it is exactly like saying that. The difference is that list will also bring some of the best most popular MP, Coop gameplay out there.

Sony's list brings some of the best single player experiences though. You can't expect a publisher to be well rounded in everything. They had a lot of multiplayer titles that couldn't keep up with other titles in their genre, like I mentioned in a previous comment- Motorstorm, Driveclub, Killzone, Resistance, MAG, SOCOM, PS Allstars.

Some of their big games that are more single player focused still have great multiplayer though. TLOU has one of the best multiplayers I have ever experienced and Uncharted 2-3 MP is decent with 4 being alright.

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#33 Posted by Archangel3371 (26695 posts) -

I’d say that they are just right. There’s some I like and others that just don’t interest me as much as others. It all depends on what one likes.

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#34 Edited by storm_of_swords (2559 posts) -

If you love movie-games then you will love Sony's first party, but if you don't like movie-games then you will probably consider them to be overrated.

I like games that focus on fun gameplay and don't contantly take control away from me to shift focus to cinematics, so I consider them to be overrated.

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#35 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:
@dagubot said:

Horizon, God of War, & Persona are some of my favorite games.

Well Persona isn't first party Sony and you should feel bad for liking that crap ……………… ;P

@crimsonllama here's another example of a third party exclusive

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#36 Posted by Mandzilla (2660 posts) -
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

How does it not make sense?

  • Uncharted 4 - Third-person action-adventure.
  • God of War - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn - Third-person action-adventure.
  • The Last of Us - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Infamous Second Son - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Shadow of the Colossus - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Spiderman - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure.

I never said they're all identical games of course, just that a lot fit into the same or similar genre.

You're either extremely ignorant and never played any of those games or just don't like Sony and are a bad troll.

Umm no lol, I'm not trolling and I don't hate Sony. Plus why am I ignorant for making an observation? That's the genre classification for all the games I mentioned there.

What's the problem? I never said they were bad games, in fact I actually mentioned how polished Sony exclusives are in my first post. I just prefer other genres to the ones Sony currently focus on, that's all.

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#37 Posted by Vatusus (9050 posts) -

Oh god, what have you done! You released the hounds!

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#38 Posted by Vaidream45 (1530 posts) -

I think Somy’s first party is a great companion to Nintendo’s. Nintendo focuses on pure fun and Somy gives you experiences. Great to have both systems.

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#39 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@mandzilla said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:
@jcrame10 said:
@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

This comment makes no sense. That's like saying Call of Duty, BioShock, Mirror's Edge, Thief, Portal, Left 4 Dead and Overwatch are in the same genre just because they are first person perspective.

How does it not make sense?

  • Uncharted 4 - Third-person action-adventure.
  • God of War - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn - Third-person action-adventure.
  • The Last of Us - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Infamous Second Son - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Shadow of the Colossus - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Spiderman - Third-person action-adventure.
  • Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure.

I never said they're all identical games of course, just that a lot fit into the same or similar genre.

You're either extremely ignorant and never played any of those games or just don't like Sony and are a bad troll.

Umm no lol, I'm not trolling and I don't hate Sony. Plus why am I ignorant for making an observation? That's the genre classification for all the games I mentioned there.

What's the problem? I never said they were bad games, in fact I actually mentioned how polished Sony exclusives are in my first post. I just prefer other genres to the ones Sony currently focus on, that's all.

to go down your list...there are gamplay variances in all of these titles if you've spent any length of time with them:

Uncharted 4 and The Lost Legacy are even different from the first 3 on PS3. They are more open with a lot more ways to approach combat. Stealth is more readily available (it's not super deep stealth I'll admit) and more rewarded. You can now mark enemies and avoid enemy encounters altogether. The Twelve Towers chapter of Uncharted 4 alone is an example of how changed and innovated the franchise was from the original trilogy.

God of War- even if you mean the original trilogy or the new one, lol they play nothing like a game like Uncharted, Horizon or Last of Us. God of War is more of a button masher that you can master and learn combos with. Plus Uncharted takes place in the jungles and hidden villages not in Greek or Norse mythology.

Horizon Zero Dawn- an open world game, with RPG elements, where you have a futuristic bow (with lots of upgrades), not even a gun, and robot dinosaurs as enemies. OK.

The Last of Us- stealth based survival horror with crafting elements, limited ammo, limited weapons, limited health (that does not regenerate). I hate when people compare TLOU to Uncharted for example, that's always the easy target people go for. They are not that similar. The one thing I love about the TLOU is the ability to find and keep all your weapons and upgrade them. Uncharted you can only carry one long gun and handgun at a time.

Infamous Second Son- open world superhero game with three categories of powers and a good/bad karma system. If you directly compare it to the other two open games here- God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn- they are nothing alike.

Shadow of the Colossus- I did buy this one but haven't spent a lot of time on it. So far my impression is that it is very isolated and focused on exploring. There is only 10 enemies which are each basically a boss. The horse riding and traversal across the world reminds me more of Ocarina/TP than anything Sony has done. The only other Sony game I can think of where you ride horses is TLOU towards the end of the game briefly, and it's more of a linear scripted section not open like how Shadow is.

Spiderman- you could compare this one to Infamous as they're both open world with superhero elements I agree. Skill tree and other upgrade elements. I compare the traversal and wallrunning to Sunset Overdrive more than anything and that was another game Insomniac made.But it's Spiderman and that sticks out enough for many people.

Detroit: Become Human- this game plays nothing like any of the games on this list. it plays more like Until Dawn or Heavy Rain. Everything is choice based- there's no third person shooting, no first person shooting, no cover based sections etc. to compare it to God of War or The Last of Us or Uncharted.

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#40 Posted by briguyb13 (2872 posts) -

With a couple of exceptions, Sony first party has been garbage this gen.

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#41 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (4811 posts) -

@mandzilla:

"Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure."

How the Hell is Detroit a third person adventure game? It's literally point and click!

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#42 Posted by jcrame10 (4571 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7 said:

@mandzilla:

"Detroit: Become Human - Third-person adventure."

How the Hell is Detroit a third person adventure game? It's literally point and click!

right, lol trolls

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#43 Edited by Mandzilla (2660 posts) -

@jcrame10: Well first of all thanks for taking the time to do that write-up, is interesting to read as someone who doesn't own a PS4. I've not played beyond PS2, so only have experience with Shadow of the Collosus and the older God of Wars.

That's why I didn't say all the games are identical, now that would be ignorant. My point was simply that I wish Sony would be a bit more ambitious and diverse in their console stuff as they are in the VR sphere.

It's like they just gave up on franchises like Resistance, Motorstorm, Little Big Planet, Killzone, SOCOM, Gran Turismo etc in favour of a more successful, but more formulaic pattern of games. So many cool IPs they're just sitting on now, similar to Nintendo.

I mean c'mon, even 2019 is playing it pretty safe with The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone and Death Stranding in terms of genre. The only deviation from this would be Dreams, which I hope does well.

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#44 Edited by Mandzilla (2660 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7: Well it's an adventure game, set in the third-person perspective. Slightly different but not much.

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#45 Edited by Ezekiel43 (905 posts) -

@Telekill said:

Sony first party is great. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either lying to themselves because they're jealous that their platform of choice doesn't get these games or because they've never played them. It's why they call them movie games. It's the only thing they have to throw at all the exclusives they don't get to play. It's a factually incorrect term used during diaper baby tantrums.

But I have those games, and I think they're overrated, most of them. Lying? Do I need to post a picture?

Actually, trophies are simpler.

My PS3 trophies: http://psnprofiles.com/AES-738

My PS4: trophies: http://psnprofiles.com/Mister_Ezekiel

They ARE movie games. Watch the Uncharted interviews included on the disc and see how often they talk about making it feel like a movie.

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#46 Posted by Gamerno6666 (6378 posts) -

Just Right. Even though I find the Uncharted series is hugely overrated.

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#47 Posted by Sevenizz (2506 posts) -

I’ve never really thought about it as a whole but I guess overrated as I haven’t felt a need to buy a ps4 this gen - and I usually buy all the console in a given generation. But I’m not a big fan of single player games so obviously their exclusives mean little to me.

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#48 Edited by ProtossRushX (4806 posts) -

There special unlike shit xbone exclusives that we've been getting

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#49 Edited by jeezers (2096 posts) -

@mandzilla said:

All the notable ones are basically all from the same genre, but I guess at least they make fairly polished games. Not my cup of tea though.

yeah agreed, spiderman stood out to me/

The only 2 i really enjoyed were spiderman and ratchet and clank.

god of war

horizon

uncharted

they were good but overated and all follow a similiar template

I think dark souls is overated, i find it repetitive and too slow. so i diddnt care for bloodboune.

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#50 Posted by blankz (9 posts) -

I prefer Halo/Gears/Forza/Ori/ over any sony exclusive.

Most SOny exclusives games are walking simulators with a bit of gameplay here and there, MS games are actually fun to PLAY, played over 200 hours online as well.

Overrated boring shit if you ask me.