Really can’t understand console players in this century

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#101 Edited by DragonfireXZ95 (24728 posts) -
@pixel_mage said:
@davillain- said:
@DragonfireXZ95 said:
@pixel_mage said:

Yay, more toxicity from the PC crowd who seem to think they're so superior because... Actually, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

It's called preferences, doofus. I prefer the unified online/friends list. I prefer using a TV (yes you can hook a PC to a TV, but switching back and forth is irritating and not very practical). I prefer the controller (controller options on PC are often half-assed). I like trophies (Steam achievements are so poorly done it's not funny). I like not having to mess with settings just to get a game functioning, and probably have to go do it again at a different point in the game later. I like physical games. I couldn't care less about mods. Most importantly, I prefer the games themselves. It's a simple fact that the majority of games I play are simply not on PC. There are very few PC exclusives that interest me in any way, and there aren't even that many multiplats I care for. Even for those few multiplats, the cost of a PC is simply not worth the marginal differences in graphics. I'm not paying 10x more for a 10% increase in graphics in 10% of my games. Console games look and run just fine.

Before you start attacking me for not having experienced 60fps and acting like I've never seen a PC before, I've had PCs for almost 30 years. I've played plenty of games at 60fps (on both consoles and PC). I just don't care. 30 fps doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't even notice it unless I stop and think about it. I don't hate PC, and there are a few games here and there I'll play on it (it's outdated nowadays but that's because I've had no reason to spend a ton of money on upgrades that I won't make use of), but my primary systems are and always have been consoles. If you prefer the PC experience, good for you. Have fun. The console experience is vastly superior to me.

You'll have to explain this one to me. PC allows you to use literally any controller you want to for any game. Xbox One controller, PS4 controller, PS3, Xbox 360; hell, a streamer set up a racing wheel to play Dark Souls. Sorry, but controller options are infinitely more customizable on PC.

Yep, I love using my Xbox Elite Controller on my PC, it get's the job done and I only use KB/M on first-person-shooters & RTS games only customization controller on PC gives the user more options how you play your games on PC, PC is all about choices for a reason.

Also, this whole 30fps vs 60fps is BS! I can tell asap when a game is 30fps, it effects the gameplay and 60fps+ makes the gameplay smooth, try playing Witcher 3 in 30fps and the difference is totally day/night.

Yes, I use a PS4 controller whenever possible. What I mean by that, is that oftentimes controller implementation is an afterthought. Look at any random game on Steam, and most will say "Partial Controller Support". That usually means things like menus aren't controllable with a controller. That also makes it more difficult to use my PC on a TV (which was another point I made). A lot of games simply aren't designed for a controller, with many having too many buttons to map to it (they're not streamlined for it). In PUBG, for example, I don't play it much but I still have to be ready to use my keyboard and mouse for some things. It's not the end of the world, but it's irritating. Anyway, that was just one of my many reasons for preferring consoles.

When it comes to framerate, yes, of course I can see the difference between 30 and 60. It looks nicer, but it has little effect on the actual gameplay. I don't understand it when people say it makes the game more responsive and have less input lag. Assuming a game is not pure garbage, it plays just fine at 30fps and I've never seen any input lag in my ~33 years of gaming unless we're talking about bottom of the barrel developers who shouldn't be allowed near technology.

Okay, so PC exclusive games you sometimes can't use a controller? This isn't really a solid argument. If it were the case of multiplats not being able to use a controller, then you'd be right. However, in the case of PUBG, you can control the entire game on an Xbox One controller in game now. They even changed up the looting to work with the Xbox One controller.

To fake using an Xbox controller, you can use the controller option in Steam to apply Xbox settings to your PS4 controller. In game settings will have Xbox prompts, but you can still use the PS4 controller for it. This automatically means it has better support on PC, because you sure as hell can't use a PS4 controller on your Xbox to control PUBG or any other game.

And you're wrong on framerate. Solid framerates allow for better control with both a mouse/keyboard and controller. 60 fps is also a night and day difference on mouse and keyboard. Many of us can tell the difference.

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#102 Posted by Rockman999 (7296 posts) -
@henrythefifth said:

Building your own PC went outta fashion twenty years ago...

I feel bad for these people. They thought they were going to be revered like those guys that build cars but nope, no one cared. LOL

@jcrame10 said:

There is a market for everything. For example, consoles are great for those who can’t grow a neckbeard.

LOL

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#103 Posted by PimpHand_Gamer (2804 posts) -

@phbz: I play my PC on my TV too. I set mine to boot Steams Bigscreen mode so it's all gamepad

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#104 Posted by PimpHand_Gamer (2804 posts) -

@phbz: I play my PC on my TV too. I set mine to boot Steams Bigscreen mode so it's all gamepad

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#105 Posted by Evil_Loli (69 posts) -

Screw PC! I got an Xbox One X for all my gaming needs!!!

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#106 Posted by kingtito (9938 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7 said:

@kingtito:

And most of those "higher rated" games are garbage no one has heard of. The only game that even looks remotely interesting is Star Citizen.

Nice opinion but your opinion =/= fact. You think they're garbage others might not.

Fact - PC has more higher rated games.
Fact - PC has more games period
Not up for dispute. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts

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#107 Posted by ProtossRushX (4711 posts) -
@evil_loli said:

Screw PC! I got an Xbox One X for all my gaming needs!!!

your an anime freak and you went xbox over playstation and vita ? whats wrong with you japanese support man give it to anime nation imo.

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#108 Posted by Evil_Loli (69 posts) -

@ProtossRushX said:
@evil_loli said:

Screw PC! I got an Xbox One X for all my gaming needs!!!

your an anime freak and you went xbox over playstation and vita ? whats wrong with you japanese support man give it to anime nation imo.

This anime fan girl knows what's she's doing. Xbox One X gives me 4K gaming baby! Not my fault you pick the wrong console for this gen.

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#109 Posted by DocSanchez (4920 posts) -

Ah bin playin' computer thingumijigs since ought six dagnabbit, and we didn't need no stinkin' trigger buttons, fancy schmancy three dee and definitely no blu ray dee-isks to enjoy arrr habbeh!


Grow up. Chances are I've been playing games as long/longer than you, and really, it doesn't make you a better gamer.

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#110 Edited by Antarte (330 posts) -

Console users, here, the OP. Again, this is not one more topic about why there still existing people who voluntary choose to play in the worst possible conditions. Read careful what I want to know (at least what is in BOLD, please).

Why in these discussions, console players are constantly hating the best device for videogames, PC. :)

I don't care if you love your "coooouch"... or if you want to convince everyone that you need your overrated exclusives, or if you repeat (until someone believes you) that you don't care about mods. Or if you are tired to say that you don't want lower prices, backwards compatibility, future certainty, all genres in their best shape, or whatever you want to believe to feel good with your casual lifes, ok?

I want to know why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)

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#111 Posted by Pixel_Mage (57 posts) -
@DragonfireXZ95 said:

Okay, so PC exclusive games you sometimes can't use a controller? This isn't really a solid argument. If it were the case of multiplats not being able to use a controller, then you'd be right. However, in the case of PUBG, you can control the entire game on an Xbox One controller in game now. They even changed up the looting to work with the Xbox One controller.

So first you tell me that PC is so customizable and allows for so many options and I can use whatever I want for a controller, but then I don't have an argument when I can't use a controller. Okay. I wasn't really talking about games that are specifically designed with a keyboard/mouse in mind, like RTS or sim-type games, but I barely play those anyway. Pretty much anything else should be fully playable on a normal controller. Also, PUBG didn't let me use a controller in the menus (I mean all the menus, not the inventory) the last time I played a few weeks ago. Maybe they've updated it since then. I find the game pretty boring either way. You either spend 95% of the match running to the circle, or 95% of the match waiting for other people to run to the circle if you happened to land in it. I was just using PUBG as an example of partial controller support. I use a PS4 controller.

I'm not sure why you're harping on that one particular point so hard. It was just meant to be one little point for why I prefer consoles. It's by no means a deal breaker, just a nuisance.

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

To fake using an Xbox controller, you can use the controller option in Steam to apply Xbox settings to your PS4 controller. In game settings will have Xbox prompts, but you can still use the PS4 controller for it. This automatically means it has better support on PC, because you sure as hell can't use a PS4 controller on your Xbox to control PUBG or any other game.

I use an Xinput emulator program to do that when necessary. Haven't had any problems in that sense.

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

And you're wrong on framerate. Solid framerates allow for better control with both a mouse/keyboard and controller. 60 fps is also a night and day difference on mouse and keyboard. Many of us can tell the difference.

Solid framerates I can agree with. If it's dropping them constantly, then there's a problem. However, a solid 30fps works just fine in every single game I've ever played. I've never had any trouble aiming in a 30fps game, and 60 isn't automatically better just because it's 60. As an example, Resident Evil Revelations 1 and 2. I played 1 on PS3 at 720p/30fps, and 2 on PS4 at 1080p/60fps. RER1 felt better to play... It had nothing to do with framerate. It simply has a better feel to it. Just my personal experience. I'm not saying 30 is better than 60 (it's not), just that 60 has little if any effect on how a game feels or controls as long as it's a well-made game.

Perhaps the difference is more pronounced with a mouse. I play Starcraft 2 here and there, but the mouse cursor runs independently of the game framerate, so there's no difference there. The game can drop below 5fps when things are happening, but the mouse cursor still moves at 60fps. It probably makes a difference for shooters, but I won't play a shooter with a mouse if I can avoid it. My point is, you can't tell me my personal experience is wrong when it's my personal experience. Maybe you can react in 1/60th of a second as opposed to 1/30th of a second, but I don't feel a difference as long as it's not actually dropping a ton of frames. 60fps provides a smoother-looking motion. That's about it, at least for me.

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#112 Edited by DragonfireXZ95 (24728 posts) -
@pixel_mage said:
@DragonfireXZ95 said:

Okay, so PC exclusive games you sometimes can't use a controller? This isn't really a solid argument. If it were the case of multiplats not being able to use a controller, then you'd be right. However, in the case of PUBG, you can control the entire game on an Xbox One controller in game now. They even changed up the looting to work with the Xbox One controller.

So first you tell me that PC is so customizable and allows for so many options and I can use whatever I want for a controller, but then I don't have an argument when I can't use a controller. Okay. I wasn't really talking about games that are specifically designed with a keyboard/mouse in mind, like RTS or sim-type games, but I barely play those anyway. Pretty much anything else should be fully playable on a normal controller. Also, PUBG didn't let me use a controller in the menus (I mean all the menus, not the inventory) the last time I played a few weeks ago. Maybe they've updated it since then. I find the game pretty boring either way. You either spend 95% of the match running to the circle, or 95% of the match waiting for other people to run to the circle if you happened to land in it. I was just using PUBG as an example of partial controller support. I use a PS4 controller.

I'm not sure why you're harping on that one particular point so hard. It was just meant to be one little point for why I prefer consoles. It's by no means a deal breaker, just a nuisance.

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

To fake using an Xbox controller, you can use the controller option in Steam to apply Xbox settings to your PS4 controller. In game settings will have Xbox prompts, but you can still use the PS4 controller for it. This automatically means it has better support on PC, because you sure as hell can't use a PS4 controller on your Xbox to control PUBG or any other game.

I use an Xinput emulator program to do that when necessary. Haven't had any problems in that sense.

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

And you're wrong on framerate. Solid framerates allow for better control with both a mouse/keyboard and controller. 60 fps is also a night and day difference on mouse and keyboard. Many of us can tell the difference.

Solid framerates I can agree with. If it's dropping them constantly, then there's a problem. However, a solid 30fps works just fine in every single game I've ever played. I've never had any trouble aiming in a 30fps game, and 60 isn't automatically better just because it's 60. As an example, Resident Evil Revelations 1 and 2. I played 1 on PS3 at 720p/30fps, and 2 on PS4 at 1080p/60fps. RER1 felt better to play... It had nothing to do with framerate. It simply has a better feel to it. Just my personal experience. I'm not saying 30 is better than 60 (it's not), just that 60 has little if any effect on how a game feels or controls as long as it's a well-made game.

Perhaps the difference is more pronounced with a mouse. I play Starcraft 2 here and there, but the mouse cursor runs independently of the game framerate, so there's no difference there. The game can drop below 5fps when things are happening, but the mouse cursor still moves at 60fps. It probably makes a difference for shooters, but I won't play a shooter with a mouse if I can avoid it. My point is, you can't tell me my personal experience is wrong when it's my personal experience. Maybe you can react in 1/60th of a second as opposed to 1/30th of a second, but I don't feel a difference as long as it's not actually dropping a ton of frames. 60fps provides a smoother-looking motion. That's about it, at least for me.

You were comparing to console, so why wouldn't we be comparing multiplats? Comparing exclusives would throw this whole argument out of the window.

Look at it this way. I can't natively use a keyboard and mouse or a PS4 on an Xbox and vice versa, correct? What if I wanted to use a Gamecube controller? I can completely do that on PC, but it's impossible on PS4/Switch/Xbox; so, that would mean consoles controller support is half-assed, because I can't use the controller I want.

Are you sure you aren't trying to argue for controller simplicity? Because that makes sense, but controller options are definitely more robust on the PC.

And no, with a keyboard and mouse, 60 FPS is >>>>> 30 FPS. It makes less of a difference with a controller, but there's still a difference. If you can't feel it, then that's just you; but 5 people in this thread have already disagreed with you.

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#113 Posted by GarGx1 (10562 posts) -
@Antarte said:

Console users, here, the OP. Again, this is not one more topic about why there still existing people who voluntary choose to play in the worst possible conditions. Read careful what I want to know (at least what is in BOLD, please).

Why in these discussions, console players are constantly hating the best device for videogames, PC. :)

I don't care if you love your "coooouch"... or if you want to convince everyone that you need your overrated exclusives, or if you repeat (until someone believes you) that you don't care about mods. Or if you are tired to say that you don't want lower prices, backwards compatibility, future certainty, all genres in their best shape, or whatever you want to believe to feel good with your casual lifes, ok?

I want to know why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)

Because people like to hate things they don't have, whether it's a choice or not.

Look at Star Citizen, the hate C.I.G. have received for doing what they set out to do is unbelievable, especially when it comes from so called "gamers". For some reason some people just can't get it in to their heads that the crowd funding is now 10x more than they needed to make the base game and it is all being poured into making it the most ambitious and advanced game in existence. It'll push the industry forward for years to come, benefiting every gamer, regardless of platform choice. Of course it's not a console game so it must be hated, despised and derided at every opportunity because "it's just a scam" after all.

This is System Wars though and if you pick a faction then you never sway and you never concede, regardless of the facts. Just drop back in to the same old tired arguments and then when you start to run out of steam go they run back to the old "you're butt hurt" and "lol, what a meltdown", accompanied with the usual gifs as if that actually gets anyone annoyed or proves any kind of point.

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#114 Edited by opazlevi2 (7 posts) -
@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:

@zaryia:

@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:

Console exclusivity is at its highest right now.

Bullshit.

are you gonna tell me why? or are your feelings hurt?

You made the claim, prove it. Now count how many Exclusives above 8.0 PS3 and XB360 had last gen and compare them to how many they have this gen. From a rough estimate from MC or GS it seems it appears to be far lower, especially for XB, but give us some accurate data on your claim.

I can tell you which system has the biggest 8.0+ total library though, it's PC with over 100 games.

Sorry, I should have specified. When I said console exclusivity is at its highest I was talking in terms of quality. The games released on console this generation are just amazing, this generation of gaming is way better than the last gen which is where PC really started to become a competitor. Quantity wise then yeah PC wins by far. PC exclusives tend to be MMO's or indie games, and all of the decent ones are just ported over to console eventually like Stardew Valley.

Still though, I do wish we had some PS4 exclusives on PC. Bloodborne runs like ass on PS4 even though it's an exclusive, I hardly hit 25 FPS at best. Hopefully consoles step up their game next gen.

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#115 Posted by Zaryia (6717 posts) -
@opazlevi2 said:
@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:

@zaryia:

@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:

Console exclusivity is at its highest right now.

Bullshit.

are you gonna tell me why? or are your feelings hurt?

You made the claim, prove it. Now count how many Exclusives above 8.0 PS3 and XB360 had last gen and compare them to how many they have this gen. From a rough estimate from MC or GS it seems it appears to be far lower, especially for XB, but give us some accurate data on your claim.

I can tell you which system has the biggest 8.0+ total library though, it's PC with over 100 games.

Sorry, I should have specified. When I said console exclusivity is at its highest I was talking in terms of quality. The games released on console this generation are just amazing, this generation of gaming is way better than the last gen which is where PC really started to become a competitor. Quantity wise then yeah PC wins by far. PC exclusives tend to be MMO's or indie games, and all of the decent ones are just ported over to console eventually like Stardew Valley.

Still though, I do wish we had some PS4 exclusives on PC. Bloodborne runs like ass on PS4 even though it's an exclusive, I hardly hit 25 FPS at best. Hopefully consoles step up their game next gen.

And TBS, RTS, SIM. Not all the decent ones are ported, which is why PC has the most 8+ games by over 100 games.

Bloodborne is on PC via PSNOW. Nearly all XB1X games are on PC. Most PS4 games on are on PC.

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#116 Edited by opazlevi2 (7 posts) -
@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:
@zaryia said:
@opazlevi2 said:

@zaryia:

are you gonna tell me why? or are your feelings hurt?

You made the claim, prove it. Now count how many Exclusives above 8.0 PS3 and XB360 had last gen and compare them to how many they have this gen. From a rough estimate from MC or GS it seems it appears to be far lower, especially for XB, but give us some accurate data on your claim.

I can tell you which system has the biggest 8.0+ total library though, it's PC with over 100 games.

Sorry, I should have specified. When I said console exclusivity is at its highest I was talking in terms of quality. The games released on console this generation are just amazing, this generation of gaming is way better than the last gen which is where PC really started to become a competitor. Quantity wise then yeah PC wins by far. PC exclusives tend to be MMO's or indie games, and all of the decent ones are just ported over to console eventually like Stardew Valley.

Still though, I do wish we had some PS4 exclusives on PC. Bloodborne runs like ass on PS4 even though it's an exclusive, I hardly hit 25 FPS at best. Hopefully consoles step up their game next gen.

And TBS, RTS, SIM. Not all the decent ones are ported, which is why PC has the most 8+ games by over 100 games.

Bloodborne is on PC via PSNOW. Nearly all XB1X games are on PC. Most PS4 games on are on PC.

Sorry, I don't understand the acronyms lmao. Nearly all XB1X games are on PC because Windows is owned by Microsoft, obviously. They need to keep people from ditching them and going to Apple don't they? I did say Xbox is lacking in the exclusive department in my original comment.

"Most PS4 games are on PC" you win with Bloodborne, but exclusives aren't on PC because they are exclusive lol.

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#117 Posted by opazlevi2 (7 posts) -

@Antarte: you're delusional dude. no one is "constantly hating" PC. what is wrong with you?

and if you really want an answer, people have already given you that. PC lacks AAA exclusives like Horizon Zero Dawn. that is a reason to not like your "superior platform". how old are you dude?

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#118 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@Antarte:

"why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)"

You know what makes devices good videogame devices? When they have games to play. Pc can't play ps4 natively or Nintendo Switch. And when you don't have access to those console exclusives, you kinda have to buy those certain consoles to play them.

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#119 Posted by Antarte (330 posts) -

@GarGx1 said:
@Antarte said:

Console users, here, the OP. Again, this is not one more topic about why there still existing people who voluntary choose to play in the worst possible conditions. Read careful what I want to know (at least what is in BOLD, please).

Why in these discussions, console players are constantly hating the best device for videogames, PC. :)

I don't care if you love your "coooouch"... or if you want to convince everyone that you need your overrated exclusives, or if you repeat (until someone believes you) that you don't care about mods. Or if you are tired to say that you don't want lower prices, backwards compatibility, future certainty, all genres in their best shape, or whatever you want to believe to feel good with your casual lifes, ok?

I want to know why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)

Because people like to hate things they don't have, whether it's a choice or not.

Look at Star Citizen, the hate C.I.G. have received for doing what they set out to do is unbelievable, especially when it comes from so called "gamers". For some reason some people just can't get it in to their heads that the crowd funding is now 10x more than they needed to make the base game and it is all being poured into making it the most ambitious and advanced game in existence. It'll push the industry forward for years to come, benefiting every gamer, regardless of platform choice. Of course it's not a console game so it must be hated, despised and derided at every opportunity because "it's just a scam" after all.

This is System Wars though and if you pick a faction then you never sway and you never concede, regardless of the facts. Just drop back in to the same old tired arguments and then when you start to run out of steam go they run back to the old "you're butt hurt" and "lol, what a meltdown", accompanied with the usual gifs as if that actually gets anyone annoyed or proves any kind of point.

Haha, that, and their inferiority complex, I can't believe that video games are the only hobby in the world with a core of fanboys of the worst. We never saw a fisherman hating the best fishing pole, or a diver complaining because the best gear is "expensiiiiveeee", or a fan of cars saying that a Ferrari is overrated, neither you can find someone saying "the worst TV is better". But here, in the most technological hobby, personal computing, we have... that kind of... brainwashed sect!... of fans of the WORST haha.

I've started this topic to make, at least one of them, to try to explain not why they think they prefer consoles, we are tired of hear those childish excuses, I want to see how they manage to make an argument about "why" are they hating the PC, when the PC have bought nothing more than innovation, fresh games and new genres to consoles. We will never find a console game downgraded by its PC version, never will be a genre reduced in its mechanics to fit on PCs, never will play a saga ruined by casualization due to PC dumbed consumers demand. That is why in PC we can perfectly hate consoles, and we can explain it with enough proofs. And, also why never will be able to explain their hate to us in reasonable words.

The best to fight ignorance, is the Socratic method of questioning the obvious to make them notice their own contradictions.

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#120 Edited by Antarte (330 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7 said:

@Antarte:

"why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)"

You know what makes devices good videogame devices? When they have games to play. Pc can't play ps4 natively or Nintendo Switch. And when you don't have access to those console exclusives, you kinda have to buy those certain consoles to play them.

aaaaaand... again...

we already know your fanboychildishbrainwashed excuses.

I'm not asking why you can't live without few stupid cinematic exclusives from a single genre of few hours duration and without mods.

I will believe ALL your excuses, I will give you that argument for free. :D

Look I'm saying it slowly: I... believe... all... your... excuses... shall... we... agree?

Now:

Can you answer why most of you hate PC in these system wars?

And, as a proof, I've answered you before why we can perfectly hate consoles, took me only 2 lines to explain.

I think it is a simple question, demanding a simple answer. :)

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#121 Edited by bigfootpart2 (1136 posts) -
@nepu7supastar7 said:

@Antarte:

"why there still existing a core of fanboys which need to be constantly arguing against the PC, which is, far, the best for videogames. :)"

You know what makes devices good videogame devices? When they have games to play. Pc can't play ps4 natively or Nintendo Switch. And when you don't have access to those console exclusives, you kinda have to buy those certain consoles to play them.

Roughly 99% of the PS4's library is also on PC.

Also I shouldn't be saying this but the PC can not only emulate WiiU/Switch games, but it actually runs them better than the Switch. PC is actually the best platform for playing Breath of the Wild.

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#122 Posted by Pixel_Mage (57 posts) -
@DragonfireXZ95 said:

You were comparing to console, so why wouldn't we be comparing multiplats? Comparing exclusives would throw this whole argument out of the window.

Look at it this way. I can't natively use a keyboard and mouse or a PS4 on an Xbox and vice versa, correct? What if I wanted to use a Gamecube controller? I can completely do that on PC, but it's impossible on PS4/Switch/Xbox; so, that would mean consoles controller support is half-assed, because I can't use the controller I want.

Are you sure you aren't trying to argue for controller simplicity? Because that makes sense, but controller options are definitely more robust on the PC.

And no, with a keyboard and mouse, 60 FPS is >>>>> 30 FPS. It makes less of a difference with a controller, but there's still a difference. If you can't feel it, then that's just you; but 5 people in this thread have already disagreed with you.

I wasn't even talking about controller brands or types originally. All I meant was that a lot of games have only partial controller support, meaning you can't control 100% of the game (that includes menus) with a controller. The only controller I want to use is a PS4 controller, and I do just that on both PC and PS4. It was a small point, nothing more. It's probably the least important point of all the ones I made for why I prefer consoles, but I guess you can't fight the other ones so you picked that one.

I don't care if 5 billion people disagree with me about framerate. I'm not them. In my physical body and in my mind, I don't feel any tangible difference in gameplay between 30 and 60fps. Yes, I see it. It's smoother-looking. It makes animation look nicer. It doesn't help me play any better. I really can't think of a game where 1/60th of a second is so critical to completing the game where 1/30th of a second would mean failure. If it's so important to you, wonderful. Enjoy your PC. I would never tell you what to prefer or what to care about. It simply makes no difference to me. It is not a plus in my mind, and will not push me to becoming more of a PC gamer. Things that you and other PC gamers here consider advantages are just not advantages to me.

You're not quite as bad as some of the others here (you're usually pretty respectful), but when people tell me I should prefer this thing because they care about things that are completely irrelevant to me, which is basically what the OP is doing, that's when there's a problem.

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#123 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@bigfootpart2:

Emulation isn't the same as native. It's basically congratulating stealing. Even if you can emulate, it's not a basic function for the pc. You can't emulate without putting time and effort into it. But why emulate when you can have the actual console glitch free? And emulation rarely runs as well as the real deal.

Also playing PsNow isn't the same as playing natively. It's streaming. You're streaming Ps games through a service. You don't actually own the games on pc. The Ps Now games can't make use of the pc hardware.

The fact that you even have to emulate or subscribe to PsNow just to keep up with consoles is what makes pc a peasant platform.

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#124 Edited by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@Antarte:

"Can you answer why most of you hate PC in these system wars?"

I already said why. So did other people. Hardcore fans just love to hate. And I can fangirl all I want cuz this is system wars! 😋

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#125 Edited by bigfootpart2 (1136 posts) -
@nepu7supastar7 said:

@bigfootpart2:

Emulation isn't the same as native. It's basically congratulating stealing. Even if you can emulate, it's not a basic function for the pc. You can't emulate without putting time and effort into it. But why emulate when you can have the actual console glitch free? And emulation rarely runs as well as the real deal.

Also playing PsNow isn't the same as playing natively. It's streaming. You're streaming Ps games through a service. You don't actually own the games on pc. The Ps Now games can't make use of the pc hardware.

The fact that you even have to emulate or subscribe to PsNow just to keep up with consoles is what makes pc a peasant platform.

You aren't getting what I'm saying. The Switch is so underpowered and dated that it actually looks and runs far better in emulation on PC than on the Switch. The graphics are better and it loads faster. The best way to play Breath of the Wild is currently PC. The Switch has no other games worth buying, so you can pretty much just skip the thing entirely and play its one good game on PC.

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#126 Posted by Migina (17 posts) -

First off, consoles still have tons of exclusives you can't play on PC. I mostly play strategy games - my top genre, so I don't really need a top of the line rig. It also becomes a bit of a hassle, so consoles are quick to plugin and play. Also, none of my friends play PC games so I prefer that. Also, having slightly better tech graphics doesn't matter to me. I play games for the gameplay and story, not tech graphics.

I see it this way. Strategy games for PC, everything else PS4/Switch.

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#127 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@bigfootpart2:

But you still can't take a pc with you wherever you go. Pc doesn't have the Switch's portability. Laptops aren't much smaller either. And this is one of the few times I've actually defended Switch! lol Power isn't everything..

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#128 Posted by SchnabbleTab (1440 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

Who really needs a pc anymore? Tablets and smartphones have made them obsolete. The last time I used mine was for printing airplane tickets.

As for gaming. Yes, it’s catalogue is immense. Seemingly endless when you think about it’s wealth of possibilities. But with that, there’s a lot of crap included and a plethora of obsoleteness.

I like my pc, but I don’t love it. Mine is about 5 years old, but I can’t play any modern triple A game without upgrading. It can play WoW, but just barely. This is a huge disadvantage to pc gaming which console gaming blows out of the water. My day one Xbox One can play Forza Horizon 4 with ease. My pc which I bought at the same time as my X1, cannot.

Maybe the problem is the fact that you're an idiot? If your 5 year old rig can't play a game from 2004, then maybe that's proof enough, you're indeed an idiot.

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#129 Posted by rmiller365 (729 posts) -

If I played a console last century I bet I wouldn't understand either... I wonder What the graphics where like 100 years ago?

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#130 Posted by dxmcat (2467 posts) -

I knew it was only a matter of time before some idiot replied like that.

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#131 Posted by SchnabbleTab (1440 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7 said:

@bigfootpart2:

Emulation isn't the same as native. It's basically congratulating stealing. Even if you can emulate, it's not a basic function for the pc. You can't emulate without putting time and effort into it. But why emulate when you can have the actual console glitch free? And emulation rarely runs as well as the real deal.

The fact that you even have to emulate or subscribe to PsNow just to keep up with consoles is what makes pc a peasant platform.

So if I put a PS2 disc in my PC and run a game at 4k with advanced graphics options like AA and AO, then somehow I'm stealing the game that I legally bought a decade ago and said game somehow runs better on the PS2 even though 360p with lower graphic settings is obviously much worse?

See, if you're THAT stupid then maybe you shouldn't post to begin with.

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#132 Posted by Epak_ (10467 posts) -

@GarGx1: It's a good platform If you happen to like RTS, I personally never got into that genre.

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#133 Edited by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@SchnabbleTab:

It wouldn't be stealing if you own the game. But a vast majority of people who emulate, don't own most of the games they're downloading. If anything, it's stupid to assume that everyone owns their emulated games.

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#134 Posted by scatteh316 (9952 posts) -

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

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#135 Edited by xxyetixx (3016 posts) -

Cause PC’s are obsolete tech and there’s no justifiable reason to have one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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#136 Posted by SchnabbleTab (1440 posts) -

@nepu7supastar7 said:

@SchnabbleTab:

It wouldn't be stealing if you own the game. But a vast majority of people who emulate, don't own most of the games they're downloading. If anything, it's stupid to assume that everyone owns their emulated games.

That is irrelevant, emulation isn't stealing just because some people are pirating their games. Do you have a study that proves "a vast majority of people who emulate, don't own most of the games they're downloading"?

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#137 Posted by SchnabbleTab (1440 posts) -

@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

I'll translate this for you:

@scatteh316 really said:

If I could change the WESTERN WORLD to what I think a perfect WORLD would look like it would pretty MUCH become NORTH KOREA.

As a WORLD, THE WEST is a complete mess compared to NORTH KOREA, multiple COUNTRIES, multiple ETHNICITIES, less efficient GOVERNMENT, more overhead, FREE MARKET, a nearly unlimited amount of PRODUCTS TO BUY.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

See, I get it, it you're a commie, you don't like freedom, you don't like to play the way you want, you need someone to hold your hand and dictate the way you play.

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#138 Posted by GarGx1 (10562 posts) -
@Epak_ said:

@GarGx1: It's a good platform If you happen to like RTS, I personally never got into that genre.

It's a good platform if you like any genre, it literally gets them all including genre's that are barely present (if at all) on any console. What you miss by having a PC is a tiny handful of decent Sony exclusives, what you miss out on by not having a gaming PC is far, far greater.

There are two completely valid and unarguable reasons for playing on console over PC and those are "I don't want to" (really can't be argued against regardless of advantages or disadvantages) and "I can't afford it" (that's not something to be ashamed of either, it's just the way shit goes). Nothing else sticks.

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#139 Posted by scatteh316 (9952 posts) -
@SchnabbleTab said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

I'll translate this for you:

@scatteh316 really said:

If I could change the WESTERN WORLD to what I think a perfect WORLD would look like it would pretty MUCH become NORTH KOREA.

As a WORLD, THE WEST is a complete mess compared to NORTH KOREA, multiple COUNTRIES, multiple ETHNICITIES, less efficient GOVERNMENT, more overhead, FREE MARKET, a nearly unlimited amount of PRODUCTS TO BUY.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

See, I get it, it you're a commie, you don't like freedom, you don't like to play the way you want, you need someone to hold your hand and dictate the way you play.

That is literally the most retarded thing I've ever read, congratulations.

The fact you're comparing a machine that plays games to countries is moronic, congrats on being the dumbest person on the internet.

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#140 Posted by Kali-B1rd (1518 posts) -
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

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#141 Posted by scatteh316 (9952 posts) -
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

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#142 Posted by dxmcat (2467 posts) -

Yea the grocery store is confusing, I just live off McDonalds.

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#143 Posted by pyro1245 (4268 posts) -
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

When I sit down to play a game on my PC it works better than my PS4. That's for sure.

Sounds like you have some personal issues with PC. Sounds like you're a System Warrior scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Get help.

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#144 Posted by Kali-B1rd (1518 posts) -
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

Where is the difficulty?

Install Windows 10.

Apply automatic updates.

Download Steam / Origin whatever .. DL games.

Run Games.

Oh you don't like Skype or ingame chat? there is Discord... by far the best solution on the market thanks to the "open platform" for allowing it.

So much difficulty, such a negative!

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#145 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (4703 posts) -

@SchnabbleTab:

"Do you have a study that proves "a vast majority of people who emulate, don't own most of the games they're downloading"?"

I know some people who know some people who know some people's cousins who don't own the games they download. So by that study, it totes happens all the time!

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#146 Posted by scatteh316 (9952 posts) -
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

Where is the difficulty?

Install Windows 10.

Apply automatic updates.

Download Steam / Origin whatever .. DL games.

Run Games.

Oh you don't like Skype or ingame chat? there is Discord... by far the best solution on the market thanks to the "open platform" for allowing it.

So much difficulty, such a negative!

Where did I say it was difficult?

Seems this is another case where some members of SW are too dumb to understand.

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#147 Edited by scatteh316 (9952 posts) -
@pyro1245 said:
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:

If I could change the PC platform to what I think a perfect gaming platform would look like it would pretty become a console.

As a platform, PC is a complete mess compared to a console, multiple OS's, multiple API's, less efficient drivers, more overhead, multiple hardware vendors, a nearly unlimited amount of hardware and software configurations.............. it's just a fragmented mess.

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

When I sit down to play a game on my PC it works better than my PS4. That's for sure.

Sounds like you have some personal issues with PC. Sounds like you're a System Warrior scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Get help.

And I said PC doesn't work where exactly?

Seems like we have another hermit here who's too dumb to not grasp the conversation at hand so resorts to making his own subject matter up as a result.

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#148 Edited by Kali-B1rd (1518 posts) -
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@scatteh316 said:
@kali-b1rd said:

lol "options is bad mkay"

Too many options are bad yes....... and if I have to explain to you why PC being too fragmented for it's own good is bad there's no hope for you.

Where is the difficulty?

Install Windows 10.

Apply automatic updates.

Download Steam / Origin whatever .. DL games.

Run Games.

Oh you don't like Skype or ingame chat? there is Discord... by far the best solution on the market thanks to the "open platform" for allowing it.

So much difficulty, such a negative!

Where did I say it was difficult?

Seems this is another case where some members of SW are too dumb to understand.

Right so normally when you complain/criticise and element of something, you tend to link it to a "problem". As in "PC gaming has TOO many options because"...

So you just wanted to moan about nothing then?

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#149 Posted by AJStyles (247 posts) -

Mods for PC gaming are lame.

Same stuff. Different game.

Oh wow...you can change a character skin into iron man or see Lara Croft’s boobs...

Who cares? This isn’t 1998 and I am not a teenager anymore.

I feel sad for the 30-40 year old gamers who still get excited for Mods in PC games.

The whole “mods” selling point of PC gaming has never done it for me.

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#150 Posted by PinchySkree (1127 posts) -

Only those who's life circumstances mean they cannot get access to all systems beg here to justify the sunk cost of the one they were allowed to choose

Consoles gather dust between their short lived forced exclusives