Nintendo Switch only SOLD 18M to date TO CONSUMER

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#1 Edited by sakaiXx (4212 posts) -

Source: nintendo!

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2018/181031_2e.pdf

Welcome back Nintendoom threads. Nintendo still has not outsold Gamecube. Only 18m sold? heh

*I also totally stole this from Resetera thread so thanks to those guys. kindly delete if not allowed.

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#2 Posted by SecretPolice (34166 posts) -

My goodness, for a Nindendont Handhelds that in the past always sold like hotcakes, that's a bit worrisome. Hopefully it can do better next year. :P

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#3 Posted by R4gn4r0k (29529 posts) -

Only ?

18 million is still a lot.

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#4 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (12508 posts) -

Not bad but not great either. Sales have definitely slowed and I don't think Pokemon Lets Go is going to sell as many systems as some people expect. A lot of people have caught on and realize it isn't a real Pokemon game. It's going to be up to Smash and good holiday promotions to carry the load for the rest of the year. I don't see them meeting their original projection of 20 million sold this year.

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#5 Posted by sakaiXx (4212 posts) -

@SecretPolice said:

My goodness, for a Nindendont Handhelds that in the past always sold like hotcakes, that's a bit worrisome. Hopefully it can do better next year. :P

Nintendo wish they could do 20m a year. In their dreams, nintendo is ded

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#6 Posted by SaltSlasher (539 posts) -

They may be the top 3 markets to them, but I thought recently people said it was above 20 mil, so maybe that's including WW or was just shipped numbers.

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#7 Posted by sakaiXx (4212 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

Only ?

18 million is still a lot.

They are selling as much as xbox one.... Oops.

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#8 Posted by sakaiXx (4212 posts) -

@saltslasher said:

They may be the top 3 markets to them, but I thought recently people said it was above 20 mil, so maybe that's including WW or was just shipped numbers.

Those are shipped number. nintendo shipped 22m, sold only 18m. So need to move more numbers if they hope for more than 12m per year... LOL

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#9 Posted by R4gn4r0k (29529 posts) -
@sakaixx said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

Only ?

18 million is still a lot.

They are selling as much as xbox one.... Oops.

Better than WiiU though.

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#10 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (3295 posts) -

I think it's time to scale back that forecast a little.

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#11 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (3295 posts) -

Wait a minute, the tracking is only from three territories. So, this number isn't accurate. Crisis averted.

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#12 Posted by sakaiXx (4212 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:

Wait a minute, the tracking is only from three territories. So, this number isn't accurate. Crisis averted.

I sincerely doubt South Africa, Australia and South East Asia combined is even bigger than UK market. Most of these is pretty much sony land anyway.

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#13 Posted by Techhog89 (3096 posts) -

Wait, I couldn't find the actual graph before. If it's just those 3 markets it makes sense and total global sell-through should be closer to 20-21 million. Whoops!

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#14 Posted by Techhog89 (3096 posts) -
@sakaixx said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Wait a minute, the tracking is only from three territories. So, this number isn't accurate. Crisis averted.

I sincerely doubt South Africa, Australia and South East Asia combined is even bigger than UK market. Most of these is pretty much sony land anyway.

It says US specifically, not North America. Should be over a million between Canada (which is Nintendo Land) and Mexico alone. If the total is around 20-21 million it's fine; shipments being 10-15% above sold at this point in its life going into the holidays is expected.

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#15 Edited by YammiReckorrdSan (510 posts) -

I honestly barely see any reason to buy a Switch right now. Yes, there are a few cool games like Mario Odyseey, Smash 5, Bayonetta 2, Pokken and... that's it pretty much.

While Breath of the Wild looks great, I have a ton of open world games for the PS4. From RDR2, Witcher 3, ACO and many more. Splatoon 2 looked cool, but as of right now you need to pay extra money to play online (I never payed for PS+) so now that's gone too.

What's more, the games that are multi platform costs more on Switch, so it is pretty much like other Nintendo systems- You buy it only for exslusive. And there are not many of them that worth it.

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#16 Edited by xantufrog (10097 posts) -

@techhog89: agreed, sure looks like it would be close to the original report of 22.

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#17 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (5970 posts) -

I got it for Zelda and Metroid Prime 4... But yes I don't have many people in my gaming circle who actually have a Switch other than the several die hard Nintendo fans.

Its the price really, It costs more than a PS4 and X1S,.. And it being a hand held that doesn't have all the games doesn't help either.

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#18 Posted by jcrame10 (4485 posts) -

It’s only the second year. But the problem the switch has is lack of new content and lack of games in general. It gets games every so often with half of them being ports and remasters from Wii U/PlayStation/Xbox

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#19 Posted by stereointegrity (12100 posts) -

lack of games is hurting this damn good machine

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#20 Posted by Litchie (22659 posts) -

Doesn't sound bad. But I never exptected Switch to sell like hotcakes. Not with that price anyway. It's a damn expensive console.

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#21 Posted by kenshiro3948 (390 posts) -

I don't think they'll meet their shipment targets for this year. They need a more steady flow of games because it seems sales are slowing down.

These sales aren't bad but they could be much better.

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#22 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (27401 posts) -

@stereointegrity said:

lack of games is hurting this damn good machine

This has to be the fakest complaint about the switch.

I'm going broke keeping up with all the releases.

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#23 Posted by xantufrog (10097 posts) -

And, /thread

22.86 million WW

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#24 Posted by Litchie (22659 posts) -

@xantufrog: So it surpassed the GameCube. N64 next!

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#25 Edited by kuu2 (10941 posts) -

Guessing handheld numbers is a total bore. If you don't have real numbers your thread should be killed.

Mods lock this up.

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#26 Edited by Shewgenja (20826 posts) -
@xantufrog said:

And, /thread

22.86 million WW

Indeed. That's quite a bit better. I'm eagerly awaiting to see how the Switch does this holidays before trying to read any kind of tea leaves.

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#27 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (8570 posts) -
@xantufrog said:

And, /thread

22.86 million WW

Yep.

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#28 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (27401 posts) -

PS4 sold 20 million it's first year.

This is not too far behind that.

But you go ahead and create a fake panic or whatever you want.

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#29 Posted by enzyme36 (3821 posts) -

Deceptive OP talking only about niche market sales.... WW sales is all that matters in system wars... 23 mil in a lil over a year ain't bad

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#30 Posted by sonny2dap (1476 posts) -

Lets go is unfortunately not going to shift units, but the following year the actual pokemon entry may very well shift units but how much like Pokemon Go it is will depend on the performance of lets go,

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#31 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (27401 posts) -

@enzyme36 said:

Deceptive OP talking only about niche market sales.... WW sales is all that matters in system wars... 23 mil in a lil over a year ain't bad

It's on par with ps4 first year sales...and that's considered a success soooooooooooo what are these "people" trying to say here?

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#32 Posted by onesiphorus (2599 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:
@stereointegrity said:

lack of games is hurting this d**n good machine

This has to be the fakest complaint about the switch.

I'm going broke keeping up with all the releases.

I had never seen so many indie games released on a Nintendo console in my life as I am seeing on the Switch. Games I never heard of before.

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#33 Posted by Random_Matt (3476 posts) -

As much as I dislike Nintendo, even I know 18m is pretty good considering the price of the HW and SW. Wait till the mainline Pokemon comes out, likely be the best selling game of the generation.

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#34 Posted by enzyme36 (3821 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:
@enzyme36 said:

Deceptive OP talking only about niche market sales.... WW sales is all that matters in system wars... 23 mil in a lil over a year ain't bad

It's on par with ps4 first year sales...and that's considered a success soooooooooooo what are these "people" trying to say here?

Not sure, standards change in this forum everyday... and truthfully I really dont care if it ever reaches PS4 numbers. It doesnt need to reach that to be considered a wild success. I just want to call out hypocrisy when I see it.

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#35 Posted by stereointegrity (12100 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide: not at all. I'm dead ass serious. Switches lack of AAA first and third party is why mine collects dust. Bear Mario. Half way through Zelda. Played Mario cart to death. I've been waiting for super smash for far too long. I'm not a big indie fan and when I am in the mood I either get them off steam or psn.

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#36 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (18710 posts) -

@sakaixx: did you even bother checking your own link, or you like self owning yourself?

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#37 Posted by DaVillain- (33036 posts) -

Switch selling 18 Million is still good, it may not look much, but it's still pretty good and the best part is, the Switch isn't making the same mistakes with the Wii U, that's saying something. I'm sure the Switch will make it to 20 Million when Super Smash Bros. Ultimate arrives this December 2018.

@yammireckorrdsan said:

I honestly barely see any reason to buy a Switch right now. Yes, there are a few cool games like Mario Odyseey, Smash 5, Bayonetta 2, Pokken and... that's it pretty much.

While Breath of the Wild looks great, I have a ton of open world games for the PS4. From RDR2, Witcher 3, ACO and many more. Splatoon 2 looked cool, but as of right now you need to pay extra money to play online (I never payed for PS+) so now that's gone too.

What's more, the games that are multi platform costs more on Switch, so it is pretty much like other Nintendo systems- You buy it only for exslusive. And there are not many of them that worth it.

I don't really play my Switch at home, I always play it when I'm not at home and it's portability is what I like about the Switch and if it didn't have this feature, then I would totally agree with you. The Switch has lots of Nintendo only exclusive games like Bayonetta bundle, Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Octopath Traveler, Splatoon 2, ARMS & the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Ultimate are all worth owning the Switch in my opinion of course.

PC/PS4/Switch is the best combo for maximum gaming.

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#38 Edited by Techhog89 (3096 posts) -
@xantufrog said:

And, /thread

22.86 million WW

Both numbers are correct. All numbers on that page are shipped. ~18 million is sold to customers in Japan, US, and Europe.

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#39 Edited by xantufrog (10097 posts) -
@techhog89 said:

Both numbers are correct. All numbers on that page are shipped. ~18 million is sold to customers in Japan, US, and Europe.

Based on what? The 18 million figure for attach rate lists 3 regions. I understand the argument that the remaining regions won't sell as much, but the math isn't crazy at all - in order to reach 22.86million sales with the rest of the regions, this means the entire rest of the world only needs to be 21% of Nintendo's Switch market. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. In fact, it sounds just about exactly what I would guess - that the US, Japan, and Europe are ~80% of the Switch sales.

So I don't take "4.86 million in the rest of the world is impossible" as proof Nintendo didn't sell 22.86million.

I also don't understand why 22.86m "sales", if they do only mean "shipped", don't count. Like the X unsold-but-shipped Switches aren't going to sell and soon? Based on what? Nintendo sells them when they ship them, and if some % of those shipped units haven't sold THROUGH yet... what, the sales at retail are "only" 20 million then, or something?

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#40 Posted by poe13 (667 posts) -

It's just gotta have more games. I love my Nintendo Switch, and sure, it's only been a year and 7 months or so since it launched, but all the indies in the world aren't going to matter if it wants to really move units. I'm not an analyst but I always felt that consoles do well when they put out many great AAA-titles every year on it. Not just ports from older consoles or indie games. Last year was Splatoon 2, Breath of the Wild, and Super Mario Odyssey. All great games but that's 3 AAA games. This year, Mario Tennis, Octopath Traveler, Super Mario Party, and soon, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

I might be missing a few others, but excluding ports and indies (of which there are an abundant amount), that's all we've got. We you take that into account, and look at the amount of games other consoles have pumped out after almost 2 years on the market, yeah it kinda makes sense why it's falling short of their target sales.

I don't know, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about or maybe I need to cut Nintendo some slack. Again, I love the Switch a lot but they're gonna need to start showing more at e3 than just one or two things and they're gonna need to start pumping out the games if they want to compete with the others.

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#41 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (27401 posts) -

@stereointegrity said:

@Bread_or_Decide: not at all. I'm dead ass serious. Switches lack of AAA first and third party is why mine collects dust. Bear Mario. Half way through Zelda. Played Mario cart to death. I've been waiting for super smash for far too long. I'm not a big indie fan and when I am in the mood I either get them off steam or psn.

That's not the switch's fault you have terrible taste in games.

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#42 Posted by Techhog89 (3096 posts) -
@xantufrog said:
@techhog89 said:

Both numbers are correct. All numbers on that page are shipped. ~18 million is sold to customers in Japan, US, and Europe.

Based on what? The 18 million figure for attach rate lists 3 regions. I understand the argument that the remaining regions won't sell as much, but the math isn't crazy at all - in order to reach 22.86million sales with the rest of the regions, this means the entire rest of the world only needs to be 21% of Nintendo's Switch market. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. In fact, it sounds just about exactly what I would guess - that the US, Japan, and Europe are ~80% of the Switch sales.

So I don't take "4.86 million in the rest of the world is impossible" as proof Nintendo didn't sell 22.86million.

I also don't understand why 22.86m "sales", if they do only mean "shipped", don't count. Like the X unsold-but-shipped Switches aren't going to sell and soon? Based on what? Nintendo sells them when they ship them, and if some % of those shipped units haven't sold THROUGH yet... what, the sales at retail are "only" 20 million then, or something?

It's a financial document. The numbers are the number of units that Nintendo has sold. Nintendo doesn't sell to us; they sell to retailers who sell to us. Thus, any time Nintendo reports figures in their financial report it represents units shipped (aka sold-in, which is why they can call it "sold" on the page), they'll be referring to shipped, because that's what they sold and why sell-through numbers are always estimates. You don't need to get so defensive about it btw. All of this applies to Sony as well, so the 86.1 million figure for PS4 we recently got was also sell-in/shipped. And 21% for the rest of the world is absolutely too much. Nowhere near 21% of the market exists outside of those three territories, especially for Nintendo. The Switch isn't even out in mainland China, for example. If you need more proof though, I want you to think back to September 2013, when Wii U posted negative sales in the "Other" category. What sounds more likely: retailers shipping back 20k of unsold units, or 20k people buying the console and returning it within the return period? I'd go with the former. Also, trackers show that Nintendo has sold around 5.2 million units in Japan as of September 30th, but Nintendo's number is a bit over 5.5 million... which is conveniently about how many have been sold in Japan since, so if Nintendo's number is shipped, that would mean they shipped about a month worth of units in advance in Japan, which sounds right to me.

Also, I'm not saying that shipped doesn't count. In some ways it counts even more. I don't know how you got the idea that I was saying that it doesn't count. All I was doing was explaining the discrepancy. You're the one trying to downplay shipped numbers here, in fact.

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#43 Posted by Kali-B1rd (1518 posts) -
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@stereointegrity said:

lack of games is hurting this damn good machine

This has to be the fakest complaint about the switch.

I'm going broke keeping up with all the releases.

I think:

Price of games

Price of the system

Price of Accessories

is what is ultimately limiting the Switch.

Nintendo have their heads up their asses as usual.

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#44 Posted by JustPlainLucas (78855 posts) -

It's doing better than the Wii U and hasn't even been out two years, so that's all I really care about.

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#45 Posted by Jacanuk (17031 posts) -

18 million is great but didn´t most Nintendo fanbois in here say it would outsell PS4?

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#46 Posted by Vatusus (8949 posts) -

The initial hype was blown out of proportion. I knew it. I kept saying the Switch sales would slow down after Zelda and Mario and the dry period arrived. Sheep kept saying I was wrong. I wasnt

Nintendo blew its load way too soon and now it barely has anything worthwhile to offer

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#47 Posted by Boycie (4608 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

18 million is great but didn´t most Nintendo fanbois in here say it would outsell PS4?

With in 2 years?

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#48 Edited by Sevenizz (2222 posts) -

Other than Mario Odyssey, I see no need for me to get a Switch. My rule is 3 games I want, I buy the console. Nintendo has one game I’d own and Sony has zero.

Sad too. I used to buy all the relevant consoles in a generation.

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#49 Posted by Jacanuk (17031 posts) -

@boycie said:
@Jacanuk said:

18 million is great but didn´t most Nintendo fanbois in here say it would outsell PS4?

With in 2 years?

Not the PS4 total numbers

Sony has sold on avg. 18.4mill pr year.

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#50 Posted by KBFloYd (21072 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

The initial hype was blown out of proportion. I knew it. I kept saying the Switch sales would slow down after Zelda and Mario and the dry period arrived. Sheep kept saying I was wrong. I wasnt

Nintendo blew its load way too soon and now it barely has anything worthwhile to offer

lol what? it already outsold the game cube. the switch is selling great. its no wiiU which is what sales slowing down you were talking about.

you were wrong.