Nintendo; "In the long-term, perhaps our focus as a business could shift away from home consoles"

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#51 Edited by Gatygun (1320 posts) -

It's a matter of time, home consoles are a dead concept by default.

Nintendo scored high with the mobile crowd and casuals with the wii / ds and should have kept going for them on mobile platforms as service.

It's something they will be chasing for sure next generation.

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#52 Posted by Sevenizz (2510 posts) -

@KBFloYd: Fail meme. I never stated facts, I said it’s how I ‘think’ about the handheld.

L2meme

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#53 Edited by MarioFan264 (1012 posts) -

@jeezers: As I stated, Nintendo has already proven that they're all about making RNG microtransaction games on the mobile platform, so your thinking is very unrealistic wishful thinking at this point.

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#54 Posted by PC_Rocks (1596 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Nintendo is the only thing saving console gaming atm.

Outside of them it's just shitty movie games and get rich schemes.

Even though other developers are pushing hardware limitations via game world design, graphics, gameplay, storytelling....

So, are you referring to the 8th title in a kart racer franchise that was ported over, the 5th game in a fighting series that hasn't changed much at all, or the remaster of Pokemon Yellow?

If you mean Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild, those games were both influenced by the developers you're hating on ironically enough.

Now that's a good joke. Thanks for making me chuckle.

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#55 Edited by KungfuKitten (26049 posts) -

Hmmmm. I mean, the mobile industry seems saturated to me. I don't think there is that much money to be gotten there unless you happen to be in the top 1% and I don't know that there is much rhyme or reason what games make it to that 1%. It certainly isn't ethical standards. The pricing models are all over the place, and when Nintendo tried to do it right they got slapped on the wrist by mobile gamers.

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#56 Edited by Litchie (22880 posts) -

Without Nintendo, console gaming would be a shallow soulless piece of shit market.

If Nintendo stops, then PC only it is.

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#57 Posted by DaVillain- (33720 posts) -

@nintendoboy16 said:
@BassMan said:

Fvck mobile. I just want them to release their games on PC.

That's just as bad. Besides, given herms like you slammed Nintendo for 'consolizing your genres' like with FPS like this and RTS like this and this, I think you're fine without them.

Oh don't worry Nintendoboy16, we already got Breath of the Wild & Super Mario: Odyssey on PC now! You can get mad to that lol.

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#58 Posted by Litchie (22880 posts) -

@i_p_daily: cup is right. Anyone who can't see N's importance is a fool.

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#59 Posted by DaVillain- (33720 posts) -

@Litchie said:

@i_p_daily: cup is right. Anyone who can't see N's importance is a fool.

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#60 Posted by KungfuKitten (26049 posts) -

@Litchie said:

Without Nintendo, console gaming would be a shallow soulless piece of shit market.

If Nintendo stops, then PC only it is.

Yeah I agree. Don't underestimate how high percentage of gamers have their first console experience because of Nintendo. If you lose that, it'll be tough(er) to keep console gaming relevant.

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#61 Posted by Jacanuk (17458 posts) -

@luxuryheart said:

They won't cheer with glee for long when they find out that Nintendo going third party means mobile only. :p

Too bad. He literally just said movies, theme parks, merchandising, and mobile. Either take their games on the Switch or take them on mobile devices. Your pick.

These are examples of dumb hardcores. Nintendo won't make games for Xbox/PS/PC. They'll make them strictly for mobile devices. I'll honestly laugh at the hardcores wanting them to go third party when they only make games for mobile. Talk about karma.

So what makes you think Nintendo would limit themselves if they ever went ahead with cross-platform development?

It would make zero sense businesswise for Nintendo to limit it to mobile only, it would make less sense than if they sold their company to Sony or MS.

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#62 Posted by kuu2 (10970 posts) -

But the Switch is a console...………...Lulz.

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#63 Posted by DaVillain- (33720 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

But the Switch is a console...………...Lulz.

Of course it is a console. What else is it supposed to be?

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#64 Posted by AJStyles (345 posts) -

I am not begging for Nintendo games on PlayStation/Xbox. When it does eventually happen, I still won’t buy them. They make trash games only a niche audience likes.

I don’t like Nintendo’s games. Get that through your heads. Not begging.

I am using logic that says Nintendo would make more money by becoming a 3rd party developer. They waste too much money on hardware everyone hates.

It would be cheaper for them to just make their terrible games available for all platforms.

Make their own Nintendo store app and throw it up on PSN/XBL. Make billions on mobile.

People shouldn’t be forced to pay the Nintendo tax of $300-$400 every gen just to play ports of smash and kart.

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#65 Posted by osan0 (15284 posts) -

interesting comment that could be taken several ways (as are many comments from large companies).

1) they are moving to multiplat development (PC, xbox, PS). they want out of the console hardware space. this is very unlikely to be honest. nintendo have a crap ton of resources involved in the design and development of gaming hardware. pulling out would be very painful and makes no sense. sure they have had some duds. sure successors have more often than not sold less than their predecessor. but by and large nintendos hardware ventures are successful (by which i mean they make money. they pay for themselves and then some). as for releasing their games on PC, xbox and PS: very very unlikely. it would undermine their hardware business badly. it would be nice (as it would be nice for sony and MS to do the same) but its not in their interest to do it.

2) Nintendo are moving to android/ios and pulling out of hardware: again i think this is unlikely though more likely than point 1. the stuff they are putting out on android and ios is not their best work (is it even developed by Nintendo or is the IP outsourced to tencent?). it does make money and its nice to have so i think its something nintendo will keep doing but they also know that mobile phones and tablets are not devices that would let Nintendo do what they want to do....at least not out of the box. its also a market that does not support nintendos usual gaming business model (full priced games on mobile dont sell. its all about those micro transactions) and to just abandon that would be silly when, by and large, it makes them money and is successful.

3) nintendo are looking to make a gaming phone either as a complimentary device to the switch or its successor. this is more likely i think. in mobile there is growth. innovation in the mobile sector has currently stalled basically. the phone as we know it is done. its complete. its a sector that is ripe for having a spanner thrown at its inner workings and one thing nintendo know how to do is throw a spanner in the works. they are also getting very friendly with tencent who have the knowledge on mobile networks and so on. gaming is huge on mobile and is growing faster than any other sector in gaming. nintendo are in a very good position to properly test the waters.

though as with all things nintendo its nearly impossible to guess what they will actually do. for all we know that mad console announced a few days ago is actually nintendos new console and they secretly bought them out. the whole thing is just a deflection tactic.

or maybe it just means they will bring the VC to PC, PS4, X1, android and ios (to help stead the waters) but new games are for switch only.

or maybe (though really unlikely because nintendo hate the internet) they are going full streaming with a focus on streaming to mobile devices. or it could be that they will develop only for android/ios but their games will only work exclusively with a new Nintendo mobile controller.

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#66 Posted by Kali-B1rd (1701 posts) -
@ajstyles said:

I am not begging for Nintendo games on PlayStation/Xbox. When it does eventually happen, I still won’t buy them. They make trash games only a niche audience likes.

I don’t like Nintendo’s games. Get that through your heads. Not begging.

I am using logic that says Nintendo would make more money by becoming a 3rd party developer. They waste too much money on hardware everyone hates.

It would be cheaper for them to just make their terrible games available for all platforms.

Make their own Nintendo store app and throw it up on PSN/XBL. Make billions on mobile.

People shouldn’t be forced to pay the Nintendo tax of $300-$400 every gen just to play ports of smash and kart.

People shouldnt pay sony tax for bloodborne and god of war either....

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#67 Edited by Fedor (3727 posts) -

@Sevenizz: Your feelings aren't facts. So you're objectively wrong.

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#68 Posted by AsadMahdi59 (7040 posts) -

I'd love to see them release their older games on Steam.

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#69 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (3570 posts) -

Because they're stuck. At this rate, Nintendo will be trapped in the same cycle of making minimal profit on their hardware, catering to that same core fanbase they have for over thirty years. Without having the big licensing money they could make off hosting other big third party content. But, no. Nintendo doesn't go for the majors anymore, they became their own niche. They could MTX their current customers to death, but that would turn on them, so, they're looking to mobile again.

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#70 Posted by nintendoboy16 (35566 posts) -
@davillain- said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@BassMan said:

Fvck mobile. I just want them to release their games on PC.

That's just as bad. Besides, given herms like you slammed Nintendo for 'consolizing your genres' like with FPS like this and RTS like this and this, I think you're fine without them.

Oh don't worry Nintendoboy16, we already got Breath of the Wild & Super Mario: Odyssey on PC now! You can get mad to that lol.

Not officially, it isn't.

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#71 Posted by nintendoboy16 (35566 posts) -
@AsadMahdi59 said:

I'd love to see them release their older games on Steam.

Bad ports imminent. Enjoy!

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#72 Posted by Crimson_V (100 posts) -

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

Nintendo was the first to release a mass market touch screen mobile device way back in 2004 with the DS.

Wrong

http://www.mobilegazette.com/nokia-first-touchscreen-08x09x29.htm

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#73 Edited by blaznwiipspman1 (7091 posts) -

@crimson_v: true, nokia had some touch screen phones back in the day which they didn't promote and nobody cared about. Nintendo released the DS back in 2004, almost same time as nokia and sold 20 million units an year. It would have been easy for them to make it a mobile device. They could have made a mobile version easily and it would have given apple a huge headache. Nintendo has always been boxing itself into a very niche gaming market. They could do gangbuster sales if they ever decided to expand outside of the gaming industry and I'm sure other companies are scared of Nintendo actually doing that.

Even now if Nintendo decided to make their next portable a mobile device, I would go out and buy it. On contract. Millions more would probably do the same.

Don't expect Nintendo to ever do it though, they're run by a bunch of 90 year old geezer Japanese farts who are afraid of taking any type of risk.

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#74 Edited by Techhog89 (3335 posts) -

@osan0: All of those are wrong. He's just saying that they have to be flexible and willing to shift focus if it becomes necessary.

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#75 Edited by Mandzilla (2695 posts) -

@ajstyles: "They make trash games only a niche audience likes."

Now you're just trolling.

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#76 Posted by jcrame10 (4582 posts) -

@pc_rocks said:
@jcrame10 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Nintendo is the only thing saving console gaming atm.

Outside of them it's just shitty movie games and get rich schemes.

Even though other developers are pushing hardware limitations via game world design, graphics, gameplay, storytelling....

So, are you referring to the 8th title in a kart racer franchise that was ported over, the 5th game in a fighting series that hasn't changed much at all, or the remaster of Pokemon Yellow?

If you mean Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild, those games were both influenced by the developers you're hating on ironically enough.

Now that's a good joke. Thanks for making me chuckle.

Right, because developers making games like Spiderman, The Witcher 3, Red Dead 2 aren't making giant strides in open world game design.

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#77 Edited by uninspiredcup (29987 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:
@pc_rocks said:
@jcrame10 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Nintendo is the only thing saving console gaming atm.

Outside of them it's just shitty movie games and get rich schemes.

Even though other developers are pushing hardware limitations via game world design, graphics, gameplay, storytelling....

So, are you referring to the 8th title in a kart racer franchise that was ported over, the 5th game in a fighting series that hasn't changed much at all, or the remaster of Pokemon Yellow?

If you mean Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild, those games were both influenced by the developers you're hating on ironically enough.

Now that's a good joke. Thanks for making me chuckle.

Right, because developers making games like Spiderman, The Witcher 3, Red Dead 2 aren't making giant strides in open world game design.

They aren't.

Spiderman uses formulas we've had since last gen. The Witcher 3 does practically nothing new and is downright bad in multiple respects, it's basic combat is abysmal and it's open world is about as uninspired as a it gets.

Can't comment on Red Dead, but if it's anything like prev Rockstar Games, not much will have changed beyond a very polished experience.

BOTW (Nintendo) is the one that pushed foward. Go figure.

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#78 Posted by jcrame10 (4582 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:
@jcrame10 said:
@pc_rocks said:
@jcrame10 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Nintendo is the only thing saving console gaming atm.

Outside of them it's just shitty movie games and get rich schemes.

Even though other developers are pushing hardware limitations via game world design, graphics, gameplay, storytelling....

So, are you referring to the 8th title in a kart racer franchise that was ported over, the 5th game in a fighting series that hasn't changed much at all, or the remaster of Pokemon Yellow?

If you mean Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild, those games were both influenced by the developers you're hating on ironically enough.

Now that's a good joke. Thanks for making me chuckle.

Right, because developers making games like Spiderman, The Witcher 3, Red Dead 2 aren't making giant strides in open world game design.

They aren't.

Spiderman uses formulas we've had since last gen. The Witcher 3 does practically nothing new and is downright bad in multiple respects, it's basic combat is abysmal and it's open world is about as uninspired as a it gets.

Can't comment on Red Dead, but if it's anything like prev Rockstar Games, not much will have changed beyond a very polished experience.

BOTW (Nintendo) is the one that pushed foward. Go figure.

BotW has broken, terrible gameplay. Enjoy slipping on rocks, getting hit by lightning and not making it to somewhere because you didn't eat the right food.

Sounds like a torture sim.

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#79 Edited by Juub1990 (8314 posts) -

@jcrame10: The way you describe BOTW’s "broken" mechanics actually make it sound awesome.

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#80 Posted by GameboyTroy (9138 posts) -

Oh really?

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#81 Posted by jcrame10 (4582 posts) -

@Juub1990: maybe if you’re a kid that sounds cool. Someone that has other shit besides video games to focus on isn’t gonna have the patience for that crap

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#82 Posted by R4gn4r0k (29801 posts) -

For real, I want them to make another handheld.

Smartphone and tablet gaming is the shittiest shit.

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#83 Posted by Juub1990 (8314 posts) -

@jcrame10: If you can’t be assed to learn systems and mechanics then you should gravitate more towards casual games with a more simple and streamlined approach. Don’t bitch because a game is too hard.

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#84 Posted by jcrame10 (4582 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@jcrame10: If you can’t be assed to learn systems and mechanics then you should gravitate more towards casual games with a more simple and streamlined approach. Don’t bitch because a game is too hard.

you're mistaking hard for broken lol

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#85 Edited by dzimm (5132 posts) -

Note the phrase "in the long-term". We're talking at least a decade before Nintendo will seriously consider abandoning the console market.

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#86 Edited by dzimm (5132 posts) -

@jeezers said:

@MarioFan264: what if Nintendo went into mobile and diddnt implement micro transaction but made the games a decent price, Nintendo could take over the mobile market if they did the opposite of the leaches (micro transaction games) they put out solid 1st party mobile games and dont pull any micro transactions they could lead the market, maybe even influence competition to do the same, what if Nintendo could make mobile a decent platform? Its a hypothetical but what if lol

This is how Super Mario Run is sold, and it's in last place in terms of mobile game revenue for Nintendo, so as much as gamers might find this theorizing attractive, it doesn't appear to translate into real-world success.

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#87 Posted by onesiphorus (2655 posts) -

@AsadMahdi59 said:

I'd love to see them release their older games on Steam.

If you want Nintendo to do so, why not Sony or Microsoft?

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#88 Posted by dzimm (5132 posts) -

@onesiphorus said:
@AsadMahdi59 said:

I'd love to see them release their older games on Steam.

If you want Nintendo to do so, why not Sony or Microsoft?

Because nobody really cares about Sony and Microsoft's back catalog.

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#89 Posted by kuu2 (10970 posts) -

@davillain- said:
@kuu2 said:

But the Switch is a console...………...Lulz.

Of course it is a console. What else is it supposed to be?

If its a console its the most underpowered console ever compared to its contemporaries. In fact the Switch is a generation ahead of The One and PS4 and can't run games that the generation of consoles before it run with ease.

Give it up. Its a handheld full stop.

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#90 Posted by AsadMahdi59 (7040 posts) -

@onesiphorus:

I'd have no problem with them releasing their games on Steam either, however I don't like the idea of buying stuff from Nintendo's online store.

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#91 Posted by Jag85 (12590 posts) -

@dzimm: If Nintendo went microtransactions with Mario Run to begin with, it would've been a smash hit. They made a big mistake with the buy model.

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#92 Posted by MirkoS77 (13640 posts) -

If their mobile attempts so far are any indication, abandoning consoles to go full tilt mobile would be a disastrous proposition. But Nintendo being Nintendo, they probably will. At that point, I'll say goodbye to them entirely.

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#93 Posted by onesiphorus (2655 posts) -

@kuu2 said:
@davillain- said:
@kuu2 said:

But the Switch is a console...………...Lulz.

Of course it is a console. What else is it supposed to be?

If its a console its the most underpowered console ever compared to its contemporaries. In fact the Switch is a generation ahead of The One and PS4 and can't run games that the generation of consoles before it run with ease.

Give it up. Its a handheld full stop.

We here often talk about how certain consoles are "under-powered" versus others, with Nintendo often the one with making the under-powered consoles. Do most console gamers (i.e. outside of System Wars or the Internet) even care if the console they buy, rent, or play is under-powered compared with the competition? In all my years of console gaming, I never cared if the system I played is under-powered or not to the competition. I play games, and if the home console is reliable, that what I cared about. I do not care if the Wii is technically-inferior to the PS3 or Xbox 360, and I still do not care if the Switch is technically-inferior to the PS4 and Xbox One.

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#94 Posted by npiet1 (1430 posts) -

@onesiphorus: I think some do care about power to a point. They don't care if it's the greatest but some where near the same. Like the switch is great. It's not as powerful as the PS4 but it comes close enough to it (when docked) that I don't care. But the difference between the Wii and PS3/360 was too great.

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#95 Posted by madsnakehhh (16332 posts) -

End of an era if that happens ... And also it could mean the end of home consoles as a whole. Hopefully they will take their sweet years to make this transition.

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#96 Posted by Techhog89 (3335 posts) -

@kuu2: Actually Wii was more underpowered compared to PS3/360

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#97 Posted by PC_Rocks (1596 posts) -

@jcrame10 said:
@pc_rocks said:
@jcrame10 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Nintendo is the only thing saving console gaming atm.

Outside of them it's just shitty movie games and get rich schemes.

Even though other developers are pushing hardware limitations via game world design, graphics, gameplay, storytelling....

So, are you referring to the 8th title in a kart racer franchise that was ported over, the 5th game in a fighting series that hasn't changed much at all, or the remaster of Pokemon Yellow?

If you mean Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild, those games were both influenced by the developers you're hating on ironically enough.

Now that's a good joke. Thanks for making me chuckle.

Right, because developers making games like Spiderman, The Witcher 3, Red Dead 2 aren't making giant strides in open world game design.

If these are your examples of making strides in game design then yeah, thanks for the chuckle. These games are good examples of production values and presentation, that's it. All are examples of run of the mill decade+ old game design.

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#98 Posted by SecretPolice (34325 posts) -

C'mon, geeezerz, they already have abandoned the console market. The Switch is nothing more than a Handheld able to connect to a TV. If it were a real home console as we've always defined; that thing would be bombing in sales worse than Wii U. :P

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#99 Posted by robert_sparkes (2022 posts) -

It's the best move for Nintendo they have had the handheld market for years. It makes perfect sense I don't know many people who use it as a home console.

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#100 Posted by Pedro (32706 posts) -

This is great news. Its about time Nintendo move out of the console space and embrace the joys of multiplatform solutions. This move will be a win for everyone... except fanboys.